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Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« on: Monday 17 August 15 14:22 BST (UK) »
I will try to give all information clearly .
Emma Sheen born 1910 Birmingham died 1939.Married to Albert Lawton 1929 Birmingham.
I believe  her parents are William Sheen born about 1876 as he is aged 22 on marriage cert 1898. He states father named WILLIAM SHEEN LABOURER on marriage cert. Moland Street.
Elizabeth SAUNDERS in named as spouse on marriage cert. Some recs says GANDERS..
I cannot find any William Sheens with father William in any census except in BethnalGreen but Willian b 1876 states born Birmingham.
1911 - William and Lizzibeth at 65 Lower Tower Street.
I have looked for all possiblities regarding father born William Thomas or Thomas William (1881 census in Birmingham shows a William with father Thomas.
Why would marriage cert say William for father?
In 1911 I believe I have found William with family and his brother Charley born 1893 but I cannot a irth for brother either which fits !

Any ideas would make me happy .
I haven't been on here for ages but would value all help from you experts - its driving me nuts !!!
Thank you
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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 August 15 16:38 BST (UK) »
Might William the father already be deceased, have you got the birth for Emma to confirm those were her parents?
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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 August 15 16:41 BST (UK) »
Hi so that we have some idea of William in 1901 is this him:-

William Sheen 24 occ Hot Work Striker
Lizzie 23
William E 1
All born Birmingham
Residing at House Court, Summer Lane, Birmingham
Census ref RG13/2843/71/2
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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 August 15 19:30 BST (UK) »
Hi I again can see the birth registration for Emma as Sheen, but William E b c 1900 Aston on 1901, odd that in occupation column it has something I cannot work out for him?
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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 August 15 19:40 BST (UK) »
Hi , thanks for your interest Keyboard 86

1901 - I believe that is the correct census for William and Elizabeth (Lizzibeth)  I will look at the census again to occ.

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I think it would say deceased if father was deceased.

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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 August 15 19:44 BST (UK) »
1901 - Hot work striker
On marriage cert it says Stamper

And no I have not ordered birt cert but will if there is not complete certainty.
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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 August 15 19:48 BST (UK) »
 :) Not the William snr it is the younger that I mean, maybe a red herring!
It is his birth that I cannot locate?
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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 August 15 19:52 BST (UK) »
1901 - I see what you mean - occ column has something written and also says worker but William E was only 1 year old ?!
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Re: Very confused - parentage of Emma Sheen born 1910 - Help please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 August 15 20:11 BST (UK) »
I have not found birth cert for William E (Edward I think)
Found marriage cert.1922 aged 23 for William E - father named as william Marine Store dealer .

A William Sheen owning this business and Newspaper Waste Dealers dissolved the business in 1913 it was in Lower Tower Street no 32 .They lived at 65 Lower Tower Street in 1911.

A Frederick Sheen was born in 1914 with mothers maiden name Saunders but I cannot find digitised cert.

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Courtenay Powderham Castle
Barnard -Oxford and Claines
Tollet - Begbroke
Gamble and Clement Calcutta
SHAW-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
WILD-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
GAMBLE-BARNSTABLE.DEVON