seeking details w d Murphy

[bmur]

Good evening aghadowey, please for give me I am battling with the tablet not sure how it works posting sending splitting you name it.  w d Murphy was non catholic. Thank you for all your effort. I think it is time to pack it up .Regards

[aghadowey]

If William Desmond Murphy wasn't Catholic then what religion would he have been? there's still a chance of finding his baptism although it may not be online

[bmur]

Hi aghadowey thanks for your perseverance he was c of e /Anglican I believe (not a given) that at some stage he was studying for the clergy. I am also trying to find his Anglo-boer war (1899-1902) details / papers but is proving very difficult. Regards

[sarah]

Good morning, still battling to find my grandfather's baptism records William Desmond Murphy born 9.10.1860 Co. Tipperary. His father's name Edmond, eldest brother John born 1856  My grandfather married Ellen Mc Grath @ St Marys, Clonmel 29.7.1900. Perhaps the records of the first census taken after 1860 would shed some light. Could you please advise what the date (year) of that census would be. Regards bmur.

Posted on behalf of bmur who had sent the message to me in error.

Regards

Sarah

[annclare]

The next surviving census is 1901. do you have his marriage cert - if not here is a transcript.
29-Jul-1900       
Parish / District:   CLONMEL      County:   Co. Tipperary
Husband      Wife
Name:   William   Murphy      Ellen   McGrath
Address:   Unknown      Clonmel
Denomination:   Civil Parish      Civil Parish
Occupation:   SOLDIER      BARMAID
Age:   Full Age (Over 21)      Full Age (Over 21)
Status:         Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father      Wife's Father
Name:   Edmond   Murphy      Laurence   McGrath      
Occupation:   PUBLICAN               
Witness 1      Witness 2
Name:   Michael   McGrath      Nanno   McGrath
Address:         
Notes:
PRIEST;W MEAGHAER CC
HUSBANDS FATHER DEAD.    WIFES FATHER DEAD.
annclare

And the church marriage gives William's mother's name
9-Jul-1900       
Parish / District:   St Mary's Parish      County:   Co. Waterford
Husband      Wife
Name:   William   Murphy      Ellen   McGrath
Address:   Kildare      Irishtown
Denomination:   Roman Catholic      Roman Catholic         
Husband's Father      Wife's Father
Name:   Edward         Laurence            
Husband's Mother      Wife's Mother
Name:   Margaret   Cochran      Margaret   Roache:         
Witness 1      Witness 2
Name:   Michael   McGrath      Honor   McGrath         
Notes:
Officiator: MEAGHER G. Place: ST MARY'S CLONMEL. Comment:
*DECEASED**KILMOLASH.DISPENSATION FROM BANNS

[bmur]

Good morning Annclare, this is wonderful revelation I have so little info & desperately need my grandfather's baptism records (no birth certificates before 1865) to apply for an Irish passport. Where would you recommended I try to obtain such a certificate. Regards bmur

[annclare]

wonder if it might be easier to try and get the baptism record for your grandmother Ellen McGrath.
Information about applying for a passport http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_abroad/passports/applying_for_or_renewing_an_irish_passport.html
annclare
Transcript of Ellen Mcgrath's baptism record
Ellen McGrath   Date of Birth:   
        Date of Baptism:   25-Dec-1863
Address:   Not Recorded   Parish/District:   ST MARY'S PARISH, CLONMEL
Gender:   Female   County   Co. Tipperary
Denomination:   Roman Catholic
Father:   Laurence McGrath   Mother:   Margaret Roache
Occupation:   Not Recorded   
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:   Michael Hickey   Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:   Maria Halpin
If you write to the church in Clonmel they should be able to give you a baptismal certificate for Ellen.

[bmur]

A little more complicated, Ellen (is not my grandmother) she passed away after two years of marriage. Being a soldier William came to South Africa during the Anglo-Boer war1899-1902. After the war he remained in SA and remarried thus all the difficulties. What now ? Just have to keep digging.Regards bmur........ hey , thanks for the info so far

[KevinOK]

:)this is one old man requesting details of an even older man my grandfather William desmond Murphy born 1860, as far as I can recollect in the town of Tipperary (his eldest brother's name was John) my grandfather came to SA during the anglo -boer war 1899-1902 as RMS 1st Irish brigade & remained until his death 1954.   (1) it is necessary to establish the details of his birth & place of birth
(certificate is required when applying for a passport) (2) to trace if there is a connection / relationship to the ancient Irish king Herremon.  Regards

Hi Mr. Murphy, if you are still researching this information then I have a good amount of detail because I have been helping my cousin Liam Murphy in Ireland research the same family. Kevin.