Help needed for the 1851 Census

[Alan7636]

I am attempting to trace the following family in the 1851 census;
Henry Knowles born about 1796 (1841 census shows him as a Private Watchman not born in Lancs)
Esther Knowles his wife born about 1816 in Lancashire
John Knowles, son, born early 1837 in Salford
Thomas Knowles, son, born 15 April 1841 Salford
The 1841 census has the family living at Canal Street, Salford.

What is also known is that on the 23 June 1851 at 7 Phoenix St. Hulme Esther died age 40 of Kidney failure, Husband is shown as Henry a “Horse Keeper”? Informant was an Alice Bloomfield also of 7 Phoenix St. 

Now in the 1851 census the residents of 7 Phoenix St. Hulme included a family by the name of Bloomfield including the above Alice, and a family by the name of Latham, Esther Knowles maiden name. 

So can SKS please help me in tracing the Knowles family in the 1851 census or must I presume they are part of the census that was totally unreadable.

Many thanks
Alan

[Mary8]

 1851 7 Phoenix St. Hulme.
John   Latham   Head   Widowed   38      Labourer   Leigh
Catherine   Latham Visitor/Widowed   78   Bedford, Lancashire   
David   Latham   Son   -   14   Scholar   Hulme
Charles   Latham   Son   -   12      Scholar   Hulme
Henry   Latham   Son   -   9      Scholar   Hulme
Joseph   Hadfield   Lodger/Unmarried   18      Painter   Hulme,
Richard   Henwood   Lodger/Married      50      Painter   Durham, England

1841 Phoenix St. Hulme
John     Latham   26   Lancashire
Philish Latham   25   Lancashire
David  Latham   3   Lancashire
Charles Latham   1   Lancashire
Charles Latham   24   Lancashire
Maraget Latham   24   Lancashire
Thomas Cooper   16   Lancashire
Mary   Hyde        19   Lancashire

[ShaunJ]

In case anyone else is looking for the Bloomfields in the 1851 census, they were at number 3 not number 7

[Alan7636]

Hello Mary 8

Many thanks for the Latham family in the 1841 census. This may well be Esther's family, she had possibly married Henry Knowles in the early 1830's. Their 1st child Hannah was born in 1834, died in 1839.
Thanks for the 1851  Latham census which I already had discovered but alas no sign of Esther, Henry and the rest of the Knowles family in the 1851.


ShaunJ

Many thanks  for correctly pointing out my mistake over the Bloomfields at Phoenix St. they were at number 3 at the census. Alice states she was at number 7 at Esthers death a few months later.

Alan

[garstonite]

Baptism: 29 Mar 1835 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Hannah Knowles - Daughter of Henry Knowles & Esther
    Born: 7 Dec 1834
    Abode: Salford
    Occupation: Ostler   ....a man who looks after horses

Baptism: 26 Feb 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Knowles - Son of Henry Knowles & Esther
    Abode: Salford
    Occupation: Caravan Man
 were they gypsies / travellers / romany ??   if so that may be why we can't find a marriage record ??

[Alan7636]

Many thanks Garstonite for searching.

I did have the 2 baptisms you found and always did wonder about Henry's given profession of "Caravan man" as on all other baptism, birth and marriage records he appears to be shown  as a "Horse Keeper" and in the 1841 census as a "Private Watchman"

As for the family being "Travellers" there does not appear to be any indication of this in any family records (John Knowles born 1837 was my wife's Great Grandfather)   

I shall just keep plodding along looking for John or Thomas in the 1851 census but I fear the records for the family may no longer exist.

Once again many thanks for your lookups.

Alan