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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 00:25 BST (UK) »
There is a William Rankine with the correct year of birth and birth county (West Lothian) at Kirknewton & East Calder, Midlothian on the 1861 Census and West Calder, Midlothian on 1871. Could well be Jean Hogg's first son - probably a miner?? Can't see a 1881 entry but he's still in West Calder for the 1891.

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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 00:31 BST (UK) »
Great work looby & ruth
Enjoying following.........

Great story unfolding.
Just let us know when the book release date is  ;D

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 00:55 BST (UK) »
Great work looby & ruth
Enjoying following.........

Great story unfolding.
Just let us know when the book release date is  ;D

Annie

 ;D  The book is up to Chris. Bound to be a bestseller though!

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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 01:44 BST (UK) »
I have been able to trace my family back as far as 1822 William. Beyond that has been a mystery. I even joined a Hogg DNA project in search of information. The DNA project revealed that I was somehow related to the Etterick Shepard and to some folks with the last name of Laidlaw but there was a big hole in the lineage and I wasn't able to connect the dots. You are helping to close that hole. Thank you for taking the time to help me with this. It's been bugging me for years!


Great work looby & ruth
Enjoying following.........

Great story unfolding.
Just let us know when the book release date is  ;D

Annie

 ;D  The book is up to Chris. Bound to be a bestseller though!


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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 16:56 BST (UK) »
An update on the Hogg/Bryson search  ;D

Jean/Jane Hogg - the daughter of William Hogg senior (m. Catherine Bryson) and sister of William Hogg who emigrated to Canada/US. Still no conclusive evidence of the presumed illegitimate child, but just to tie up Jean/Jane's story, she died in 1893 aged 68 in Uphall, West Lothian - her death was registered by her son, John McKnight. It doesn't look like she had any other children with her second husband, James Henderson.

I've been following William senior's two known siblings: Ann Hogg and John Hogg, so by way of summary:

Ann Hogg (b. abt 1800 to John Hogg and Ann Porteous) married Alexander Ramage, a hand loom weaver, in West Linton, in 1822. She died in 1887 in Coatbridge, Lanarkshire at the home of her daughter, Margaret Jack (nee Ramage). Ann and Alexander had three known children:
  • James Ramage, b. abt 1826, West Linton. A bit of a jack of all trades it seems (variously, carter, gardener and weaver), married Jane Moffat in 1848 in West Linton. Had seven known children.
  • Andrew Ramage, b. abt 1833, West Linton. Started out as a shoemaker, but then switched to working in a rubber factory. Married (1) Marion Cook in Edinburgh in 1857. They had seven known children. (2) Ann Thomson in Newington in 1880. No known children.
  • Margaret Ramage, b. abt 1844, West Linton. She married William Marton or Marlow Jack, a mason, (the illegitimate son of John Jack, a mason) in West Linton in 1867. No children known.

John Hogg (b. 7 Feb 1789, West Linton, to John Hogg and Ann Porteous) a grocer and merchant - he kept a store in the High Street in Inverkeithing, Fife. He married Elizabeth Murray in Madderty, Perthshire in 1818 and died in 1866 in Inverkeithing at the age of 77. John and Elizabeth had four known children:
  • Janet Hogg, b. 5 Apr 1821, Madderty. No further trace of her, so presumably died in infancy.
  • James Hogg, b. 16 Jan 1823, Madderty. He became the owner and editor of the Stirling Journal and Advertiser. He married Jane Donaldson McLaren from Gamrie, Banffshire in Stirling in 1858, and he ran the paper with her until his death in 1876, aged 53. His wife took over and continued as publisher until her death in 1900 - she wrote a regular column for women under the pseudonym Atalanta - Google her - a very interesting and progressive lady for her time  ;D  They had six daughters and a son, most of whom died young, but one daughter - Anna Porteous Hogg married the then editor of the Stirling Journal, Thomas Johnston, in 1887 and became co-editor from 1900 to her death in 1909. Two of their other surviving daughters became principals at St Hilda's School for Girls in Stirling.
  • William Hogg, b. Jan 1825, Madderty. No further trace of him.
  • Anne Porteous Hogg, b. 31 Aug 1831 in Edinburgh. She was a seamstress, and ran the store in Inverkeithing with her parents. She died in Edinburgh in 1884, aged 52. She never married.

Well, that was a lot of fun - don't you just love it when it all comes together  ;D

Ruth
McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Lewis, Corrigan, Morris, Cox, Hay - Monmouthshire/Pembrokeshire.  Baker, Ginger, Woodhurst, Swift, Jones - Kent/London.

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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 17:44 BST (UK) »
Well, after a lot of digging around, I think I've finally found the elusive William Hogg senior  ;D ;D ;D

William Hogg was born on 20 Sep 1782 in Penicuik, Midlothian to John Hogg - a miller  and Anne Porteous. He died on 16 Dec 1861 in West Linton

Was hoping Ruth with your brilliant find that this would have been the link to James Hogg "The Ettrick Shepherd" but the tree is missing info.  ???

http://www.monicahogg.com/jameshogg/

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 18:04 BST (UK) »
Was hoping Ruth with your brilliant find that this would have been the link to James Hogg "The Ettrick Shepherd" but the tree is missing info.  ???

I was wondering about that too - but these Hoggs seem to be in the wrong part of Scotland for a link to James Hogg of Ettrick - although if we can get back further, who knows - they probably all link together in the end  ;D
McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Lewis, Corrigan, Morris, Cox, Hay - Monmouthshire/Pembrokeshire.  Baker, Ginger, Woodhurst, Swift, Jones - Kent/London.

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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 19:02 BST (UK) »
I suppose "related to" can be mistaken as "descended from"......................

It's all in the reading & interpreting  :P

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Hogg/Bryson
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 11 August 15 19:54 BST (UK) »
I took part in a DNA project. There is a link to the Etterick Shepard. I will look up what is was later. 

Was hoping Ruth with your brilliant find that this would have been the link to James Hogg "The Ettrick Shepherd" but the tree is missing info.  ???

I was wondering about that too - but these Hoggs seem to be in the wrong part of Scotland for a link to James Hogg of Ettrick - although if we can get back further, who knows - they probably all link together in the end  ;D