Hogg/Bryson

[ruthhelen]

Bingo - good old Family Search 

Jean Hogg - married John McKnight on 14 Jan 1850 at Uphall. The banns were also read on 25 Nov 1849 in Gorbals, Lanarkshire, so our man must have been from there...

[loobylooayr]

Bingo - good old Family Search 

Jean Hogg - married John McKnight on 14 Jan 1850 at Uphall. The banns were also read on 25 Nov 1849 in Gorbals, Lanarkshire, so our man must have been from there...

Well done again 
So we've found Catherine and Jean. But Ann and William jnr. have so far escaped me on 1841/1851 Censuses - of course Ann could have died. I would have thought we might have found William jnr at least on the 1841    He married in Canada in 1858 - I wonder when he left Scotland . William was no spring chicken either when he married - 36 years.

Looby

[Chris_Hogg]

There has always been a tale of one of the children sleeping with the hired help. Maybe that explains the illegitimate children? From what I understand it was quiet a fiasco and resulted in the child in question being basically disowned. This story has filtered down through the ages and I have no idea if it's true.

Well, after a lot of digging around, I think I've finally found the elusive William Hogg senior 

He died on 16 Dec 1861 in West Linton - which these days is in the Scottish Borders, but was formerly in Peebleshire - it's practically on the border of Midlothian, only about 15 miles from Edinburgh city centre. William was 79 years old, listed as a joiner on the death registration, and widower of Catherine Bryson He was living with his sister, Ann Ramage (nee Hogg) and her husband Alexander Ramage in West Linton - they all appear together in the 1861 census in West Linton.

William Hogg was born on 20 Sep 1782 in Penicuik, Midlothian (which is about 8 miles north of West Linton) to John Hogg - a miller, according to William's death record - and Anne Porteous. I've found two other children for John and Anne so far, both born in West Linton - John born around 1789 and Ann, already mentioned, around 1800. Ann Hogg married Alexander Ramage in West Linton in 1822 - I've found two children for them so far.

So... this means that the 1851 census entry that I found for William Hogg and his daughter Jane/Jean (and the off-spring of dubious parentage...) is correct, as that William Hogg's birth place was noted as Penicuik (albeit spelled very phonetically  ) - they were in Uphall, Midlothian - still need to work out who the two grand-children actually were - not documentary trace of them as yet...

It also means that all those trees on Ancestry who have Catherine Bryson down as dying in 1884 are probably wrong - William was a widower by the time of the 1851 census.

Phew... 

Added: Oh, and as a final clue that this probably is the correct William Hogg - William Hogg junior (he who married Margaret Minto Thompson) named one of his children James Porteous Hogg...

[ruthhelen]

Bingo - good old Family Search 

Jean Hogg - married John McKnight on 14 Jan 1850 at Uphall. The banns were also read on 25 Nov 1849 in Gorbals, Lanarkshire, so our man must have been from there...

So we've found Catherine and Jean. But Ann and William jnr. have so far escaped me on 1841/1851 Censuses - of course Ann could have died. I would have thought we might have found William jnr at least on the 1841    He married in Canada in 1858 - I wonder when he left Scotland . William was no spring chicken either when he married - 36 years.

I know - I've had a cursory look at travel stuff for William Hogg junior, but the exit points from the UK and entry points into the US and Canada are so many and varied, it's difficult to know where to start... And there are a lot of William Hoggs... 

Incidentally, it seems our John McKnight senior was a slippery soul after all - Jean/Jane remarries in Uphall in 1853 to a James Henderson - her son John McKnight appears with them both in the 1861 and 1871 censuses... 

[Chris_Hogg]

I found a John Hogg born in 1789 to John Hogg and Ann Porteous in Peebleshire.

Bingo - good old Family Search 

Jean Hogg - married John McKnight on 14 Jan 1850 at Uphall. The banns were also read on 25 Nov 1849 in Gorbals, Lanarkshire, so our man must have been from there...

[ruthhelen]

There has always been a tale of one of the children sleeping with the hired help. Maybe that explains the illegitimate children? From what I understand it was quiet a fiasco and resulted in the child in question being basically disowned. This story has filtered down through the ages and I have no idea if it's true.

Well, it looks like the second child - John McKnight - may have been legitimate, although it also looks like the father disappeared quite soon after. He possibly died of course - so perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt  As for the first child - so far he only appears to be with his mother in 1851 and then vanishes - by 1861 he'd have been around 15, so could have left home in any case - or been claimed by his father...

[loobylooayr]

To be honest Chris , illegitimacy was far more common than you'd think back then!
Catherine was certainly married then widowed then remarried.
Ann we haven't found yet.
And Jean does have a child called Rankine but she could have been married and widowed young , also she marries John McKnight father to her 2nd son. Obviously that didn't last long as she's on her own by 1851 and remarrying in 1853. Maybe John McKnight had died or maybe  ....she remarried when still married.

Looby

[Chris_Hogg]

Ann Hogg was married to Alexander Ramage right?

To be honest Chris , illegitimacy was far more common than you'd think back then!
Catherine was certainly married then widowed then remarried.
Ann we haven't found yet.
And Jean does have a child called Rankine but she could have been married and widowed young , also she marries John McKnight father to her 2nd son. Obviously that didn't last long as she's on her own by 1851 and remarrying in 1853. Maybe John McKnight had died or maybe  ....she remarried when still married.

Looby

[loobylooayr]

The Ann Hogg married to Alexander Ramage was a sister of William Hogg snr.
So she was the aunt of William who emigrated to Canada then USA.