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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 15 August 15 03:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Tigerprawn,

Just a reminder that I have those Intention to Marry Notices waiting here for you (see Reply#32). 8)

Could you send me a PM with your email address, please?

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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 15 August 15 05:35 BST (UK) »
There is this NSW marriage: Margaret C TUCKWELL m William JOHNSON at Armidale in 1926 (9593/1926). Fits in will the headstone inscription (though somewhat confusing all round!)

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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #65 on: Saturday 15 August 15 13:21 BST (UK) »
It looks like Cecilie was with a few different men in her time, so she may have married again after her divorce with Frederick in 1907... Possibly more than once.

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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #66 on: Saturday 15 August 15 21:10 BST (UK) »
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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #67 on: Wednesday 19 August 15 10:21 BST (UK) »
As some of you have probably realised by now that one of my aunties has been researching the family as well. As there is no mention of Ruby Mary SWAIN being a child of Cecilia and Frederick, she thinks that perhaps she was born in the period after Cecilia left Frederick but before their divorce, therefore taking her mother's name at the time.

My grandmother always believed that she had Maori blood in her. Maybe this is where is came from if she did.

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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #68 on: Thursday 20 August 15 04:20 BST (UK) »
Quote from: tigerprawn
[...] there is no mention of Ruby Mary SWAIN being a child of Cecilia and Frederick

[...] perhaps she was born in the period after Cecilia left Frederick

[...] believed that she had Maori blood in her

Hi again...

Not finding a birth registration for Ruby SWAIN may simply mean her birth wasn't registered.

Likewise the newspaper report saying Frederick and Cecilia were childless may simply be inaccurate reporting.

Speculation otherwise is fairly pointless until your ongoing research turns up something new.

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One thing well worth pursuing is the divorce file in Dunedin Archives (see reply no.7).

The TradeMe genealogy board (another NZ-based genealogy board) has a few volunteers who will do look-ups in Dunedin Archives. Maybe post a look-up request on that board.

Registration is restricted to NZ and Aus citizens. If that's not you then maybe one of the TM genies on this board might start a TM look-up thread on your behalf.

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In my book, family history will always trump genealogy.

One concrete piece of evidence is Ruby's bible in which she mentions her mother, Cecilia. If Ruby considers Cecilia to be her mother then that's all the evidence I would need. The Danish research mentioned in reply no.45 would be my/your next starting point.

However, if you want to go down the genealogy route (and have a spare $199) you could always ask Carol (see reply no.53) if she knows whether or not Cecilia's older sister Annie has a surviving direct female descendant. Annie had a couple of daughters who both had daughters so it's a distinct possibility.

Am assuming you are female (?) so if you or your aunty are direct female descendants of Ruby, and if Cecilia's older sister Annie has a surviving direct grand or great-grand-daughter (with a spare $199) then a FMS-DNA test could prove that Ruby was Cecilia's natural daughter... and you would have a new third cousin :-)

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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #69 on: Thursday 20 August 15 05:16 BST (UK) »
My Daughter would be a great great granddaughter of Annie.
Annie married William Alfred Thornhill
Alfred William Thornhill married Annie Elizabeth Mollerstedt
Alma Annie Thornhill had my late husdand (out of wedlock)
               
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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #70 on: Thursday 20 August 15 05:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Carol...

Hope you didn't mind me mentioning you in my post :-)

Thanks for the family line but it needs to be the daughter of a daughter of a daughter... etc ... of Johanne Ulrikke OLSEN so Alfred William THORNHILL is a non-starter.

Daughters of Alfred's sisters Annie (McDONALD?) and Johanna (JOHNSTONE?) are what we're looking for. And then their daughters. And then their daughters etc...

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Re: New Zealand History
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 20 August 15 11:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks Beg

It was actually Ruby Mary's father that I was sure about. There is no mention of Frederick in Ruby's bible, just her mother and husband. It seems that Frederick was from England and Cecilia was Danish, meaning that if there is Maori blood the probable place would be Ruby's biological father if it was not Frederick.