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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 04 August 15 12:29 BST (UK) »

Nora's father was Augustus O'LOUGHLAN and mother Anne DRONY.

Cando

In my experience on the Aust. Board,  I think this finding will likely be strongly based.

Many here have resources which are not generally available.

I cannot even suggest the origins of the above, but who knows  ;D perhaps the hints about certificates may pay off for you.

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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 04 August 15 13:52 BST (UK) »
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I don't have unlimited funds, I am not a paid member of any genealogy sites.

You are certainly not alone  ::) ;)


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So now the mystery of why Honora used a mixture of Harkin and Oloughlin?

ONCE ONLY... ::)  and how do you know she was the informant on the child's death certificate?

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Birth
CROWLEY Anne
Father Michael    Mother Hanorah OLOUGHLEN
At Carlton  1877  Reg#13919

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Death
CROWLEY Annie
Father Michael   Mother Hanora HARKINS
1877  3 months  Born Carlton  Reg#10316 

There is no way you can view a certificate, or in this case a page in the register, other than to purchase the image. 

We can only help you so much so it's up to you now after all it is your family history.

And that's it from me :)

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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 05 August 15 00:45 BST (UK) »
I don't expect anything.  Murphy's Law.   I was merely implying that if I couldn't figure it out without the certificate (or at least a reasonable theory), what are the chances that it holds no new information?

However, that is not what you wrote .... You clearly wrote
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When I convince myself I need to purchase Michael and Nora's marriage certificate it had better have some details on it!  Knowing my luck it will all be "unknown".

The chances are that WITHOUT that marriage certificate you will not ever have certain knowledge provided first hand from the bride and the groom about what information they knew about their own parents.   

May I assure you that I do not spend thousands, nor hundreds of dollars on my hobby, family history in any year.   

But IF I do consider I need a piece of information (for example details about a person's parents), and if they were married in Victoria, after 1853, then I would certainly purchase their marriage certificate, as it is FIRST HAND information, given by both parties to the marriage usually to a clergyman who conducts the ceremonies (civil and religious, combined as though one ceremony).  In that era, giving untruthful information to a clergyman was considered extremely significant, regardless of the denomination.  Simply put, "one did not tell fibs to one's local clergyman"... "Hellfire and brimstone" were words associated with outcomes to those who fibbed ...    I place greater reliance on information provided on a Victorian marriage certificate from the second half of the 19th century than I would on   many a newspaper cutting from the "family notices" section of any newspaper. 

Without the information about the parents of the bride and the groom, as provided on that marriage certificate, HOW CAN you have confidence that your research is getting you back to the actual grandparents generation of the bride and the groom...  Are you expecting to have a family history tree that you may eventually share with current and/or future family members?   To me, the question becomes .... Do you want to be known as the fh buff or the fh buffoon....  Of course, it is your family history, so it is up to you to determine what you want to record, how you want to record it, what you want to research and what you want to do with your findings. 

Cheers,  JM



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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #48 on: Friday 07 August 15 00:35 BST (UK) »
Curiosity got the better of me.

1863 Marriage certificate.

Hanora O'loughlin (18yrs; spinster; servant) parents: Augustus OLoughlin (farmer) and Anne Drony.

Michael Crawley (25yrs; bachelor; miner) parents: Bartholomew Crawley (farmer) and Mary Leary.

Thank you to everyone for your assistance :)


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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #49 on: Friday 07 August 15 00:40 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

And the name of the person giving consent to an 18 year old marrying ?

And the places of birth?

And the witnesses were?

And the denomination and clergyman?

And the date and place of the ceremony?

And the usual address of the parties?

All are clues for advancing your quest.

Cheers,  JM

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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #50 on: Friday 07 August 15 07:53 BST (UK) »
Re: information contained...
As far as permission, it just has "Consent of bride's parents granted" written across the bottom section.
Places of birth was as before - Co Cork and Co Clare Ireland - No place names.
I can only read one of the witness names, I can't make out the other which is annoying.  It could be something O'Loughlin but I can't be 100% sure.
Roman Catholic rites and Clergyman Patrick Kavanagh was the officiating minister.
Usual address for both is listed as "B.B Creek" - at the time it was a small mining area near Woods Point.
I also can't make out the name of the person whose residence they had their wedding at which might hold something.
Should I post a picture of the 2 names I can't make out in the Handwriting section of the forum to see if someone else can make it out?

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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #51 on: Friday 07 August 15 07:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Ray,
  Why not post the picture  of the names here first and give us a go.   :) 

cheers,
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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #52 on: Friday 07 August 15 08:25 BST (UK) »
Married at the residence of:

Mr John Heffernan (my guess?)


In the presence of:

John McGrath
and
Catherine O'Loughlin (my guess?)

The more I stare at it the more I think I can see...

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Re: Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?
« Reply #53 on: Friday 07 August 15 13:10 BST (UK) »
The word JERICHO is bracketed off after HEFFERNAN
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