Michael CROWLEY - immigrated from Ireland?

[RayWitt]

Nora's father was Augustus O'LOUGHLAN and mother Anne DRONY.

Cando

Sorry Cando, now I'm confused.
Are you suggesting (I know, I need to buy more certificates to prove it) Michael O'Loughlan and Nora Crowley/Harkin/O'Loughlin were brother/sister or cousins?  The records indicate her father was Austin Harkin (I know...) so where did this reference for O'Loughlan come from?  Perhaps her mother remarried???

Is the Mrs Harkin referred to in the death notice of GRIFFEY referring to Mrs Austin Harkin seeing as they seem to be buried together in the Melbourne General Cemetery?  The site I found this morning stated half the tombstone was for Austin and Margaret Crowley and this Patrick and Nancy Griffey - whose names I have not come across before.

This is doing my head in trying to piece the Harkin and O'Loughlin's together...

When I convince myself I need to purchase Michael and Nora's marriage certificate it had better have some details on it!  Knowing my luck it will all be "unknown".

Edit: typo

[majm]

When I convince myself I need to purchase Michael and Nora's marriage certificate it had better have some details on it!  Knowing my luck it will all be "unknown".

May I please ask why you would anticipate a marriage certificate for a marriage registered in Victoria would have "unknown" recorded instead of actual details?

Here's the RChat link to what to expect on a Vic BDM civil marriage cert.  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

  I gently note that it was a requirement of Victoria's statute law that the clergy record the details, and basically if the bride or groom were unable to supply the details, then the clergy were not meant to conduct the marriage ceremony ..... they could be sent to gaol .... clergy don't anticipate becoming convicted persons ....  The Vic BDM marriage cert that I hold for a ceremony conducted in the 1860s is so very detailed.   Right down to the name of the very small village in a county of England for the birth place one of the party, and to an even smaller location in Switizerland for the birth place for the other party....  All the details for both sets of parents, and the names of the witnesses (family members) ..... very detailed.... and as per Victoria's own Parliament's  statute law applying at that time.  All my family members that have sighted that image are mightily impressed with the 1860s practices that were in place in the Colony of Victoria. 

Cheers, JM

[RayWitt]

Sorry, I just consider $24 to be a lot of money for an instant download of an already scanned document.
Can any of this be viewed at a physical location (i.e. public library or Public Records Office)?

[majm]

May I please ask why you would anticipate a marriage certificate for a marriage registered in Victoria would have "unknown" recorded instead of actual details?

Here's the RChat link to what to expect on a Vic BDM civil marriage cert.  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Sorry, I just consider $24 to be a lot of money for an instant download of an already scanned document.
Can any of this be viewed at a physical location (i.e. public library or Public Records Office)?

What would you expect to be recorded as 'unknown' on the Vic BDM's $24 image of the marriage cert?

I think $24 is a reasonable price to pay for first hand information.  Just as well you are not anticipating purchasing certificates from Western Australia's BDM .....

Have you asked Vic BDM if you can view these directly?


Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

For your interest from Melbourne General Cemetery Monumental Inscription.

GRIFFEY
(Left )
 Cherished memories of our dear parents
Austin and Margaret HARKIN
also our beloved sisters
Kathleen, Constance and Annie
and fond aunt
Katie O'CONNOR
R.I.P.

(Right )
 In loving memory of
Patrick and Nancy GRIFFEY
also the HARKIN family
R.I.P.

Sue


 

[sparrett]

Marriage of Margaret and Austin

HARKIN Austin
MADDIGAN Maggie (born Ireland)
Year 1874
Reg  1832

Birth-

HARKIN  Austin
Father Austin
Mother Maggie MADDIGAN
Birth Place CA RL
Year 1878
Reg  21371

Sue

[sparrett]

Here is the death of Maggie HARKIN

Margt HARKIN
Aged 70
At Fitzroy, Victoria 
Father Henry MADIGAN
Mother E Annie OLOUGHLIN
Year1923
Reg 5677

Sue

[RayWitt]

I don't expect anything.  Murphy's Law.   I was merely implying that if I couldn't figure it out without the certificate (or at least a reasonable theory), what are the chances that it holds no new information?

I absolutely appreciate all the efforts that people have gone to reply and piece the bits together for me.  I don't have unlimited funds, I am not a paid member of any genealogy sites.  I understand this is serious business for some and people spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars researching.  I am just reluctant to spend too much money - but knowing me it will bug me to the point I give in and buy it anyway.

Thanks Sue - another link to the O'Loughlin's...

[sparrett]

Thanks Sue - another link to the O'Loughlin's...

Just to be sure

You do see the link now don't you.

Mrs( E Anne/ Nancy) GRIFFEY was nee OLOUGHLIN and formerly MADIGAN
Her daughter Margaret (Maggie), born in Ireland, married the younger Austin HARKIN.

Sue