Tracing family from Ireland to the North East.

[MaryThorn]

I'll try and look at Scotland's People.

The people I'm looking for are:

Listed in the 1871 census at New York, Murton
James Dayley 1831 Ireland
Mary Dayley 1835 Ireland
John Dayley 1855 Scotland

listed in 1861 census at New York, Murton
Morton Shirlock 1799 Ireland
James Daily 1831 (son in law) Ireland
Mary Daily 1834 Ireland
John Gordon Daily 1855 Scotland

The 1881 census has Mary and John in Cowpen and has John listed as Falkirk for his place of birth.

The family name used more recently is Daley.

Many thanks for the help.

[Tickettyboo]

I looked at Scotlands People and I can't see a likely birth in the statutory registers.

Civil registration only started in Scotland in 1855 and though it was a legal requirement to register a birth then, some (especially the newly arrived) may not have complied.
Certainly in England, when civil registration started in 1837, though the law said you should register a birth, it took a while to catch on :-)

Boo

[SelDen]

Some Roman Catholic Church registers ( in England) record the county of residence in Ireland e.g. of parents of the brides and grooms. You can sometimes get pleasant surprises in baptism registers also. Murton is in Tynemouth parish. See Genuki for possible RC churches. Some years ago I looked at the films for St Cuthberts and from memory (always fallible) I am pretty sure the register quite often gave the counties.
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Tynemouth/tynnconf.html

You can order films of the registers to view in a LDS family history centre. See the on line film catalogue www.familysearch.org which also gives locations of family history centres. Cheap and easy once you learn the drill, and you can pick up whole families from a film if they stayed in one place for long enough.

[SelDen]

Have you looked in Scotland and Ireland for a marriage between Mary Shirlock and James Dayley?

Going by census dates, John Gordon could well have been born in 1854 just before civil registration in Scotland started. Scotlandspeople has RC records though I don't know how complete they are.

Does John Gordon survive until 1911? The householders forms survive for that census and he may given more specific info.

Given the occupations in the census you would be v lucky to find a monumental inscription as many working people could not afford gravestones, and tended to be buried in shared graves.

[MaryThorn]

I've tried looking quickly for Mary and James marriages but only looked at British records on Findmypast so I'll try a worldwide search to see if it includes any Seperately held Irish records.

It's a slightly confusing family really because John died in 1892 but didn't marry his wife until a few months before his death.  On the 1881 census his children are a their grandmothers address with their mother and are listed under their mothers maiden name.

In the 1891 census his wife and children are listed under his surname despite them not marrying for another year so I'm note sure if there is a pattern in the family of calling themselves by their partners name despite a marriage not taking place.

[aghadowey]

Irish civil registration of Catholic marriages started 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic ones)- see Irish civil registration index-
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

For earlier dates you need to search for church records.

[SelDen]

Try here http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ though check out coverage

[Michael Dixon]

 As SelDen mentioned earlier, some North-East parish priests added additional info
 on baptisms and marriages.
eg  home parish in Ireland, maiden names of bride and groom and both their parents.

 Myself I got a nice surprise on C1891 when my great grandfather, instead of just " born Ireland" in previous censuses, was listed as born Co Sligo.

Trivia: I was baptised at St Cuthberts, Cowpen

 Michael

[WolfieSmith]

Some baptisms on Familysearch.

At St. Cuthberts RC, North Shields :

Maria Anna Daly, baptized 9 Jan 1859. Parents Jacobi Daly & Maria Sherlock.
Catharina Daly, baptized 7 July 1861. Parents Jacobi Daly & Mariae Sherlock.

At Our Lady & St. Aidens RC, Willington Quay.

Jacobus Daley, born 2 June 1866, baptized 2 Sep 1866. Parents Jacobi Daley & Marioe Sherlock Daley.
Hellena Daley, born 22 Sep 1868, baptized 25 Oct 1868. Parents Jacobi Daley & Marioe Sherlock Daley.
Antonii Daley, born 2 May 1871, baptized 25 June 1871. Parents Jacobi Daley & Marioe Sherlock Daley.

Both sets of records are at the Tyne and Wear Archives, Blandford Square, Newcastle. Might give more info.

Alan.