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One for the experts - Charles WEEDON in 1911
« on: Tuesday 28 July 15 22:36 BST (UK) »
I came across a 1911 census entry for the Charles Weedon family.  Charles is listed but his entry is stroked out leaving wife Ada and the children.  The totals at the bottom of the census form are completed and exclude Charles.  However, Charles signs the census form and the enumerator form records C. Weedon.

Despite being crossed out, one can read Charles's entry details and can see he was 38 at the time of the census.  I looked for another Charles Weedon in the 1911 census with the same approximate birth date (1873) and found a Charles Weedon 38 years of age living as step son to Rose Weedon head of the family and formerly married to Henry Weedon (discovered by checking earlier censuses).

Can anyone explain why the 1911 census record was signed by Charles who lived elsewhere?  Perhaps he was at his family home at the time of the census but was not living there and therefore was not included in the census for that property but, because he participated in the census, was able to sign the form even though he was not listed.  Thoughts anyone?

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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 July 15 22:49 BST (UK) »
What was his occupation  or status likely to be?


He could have been called away  for several reasons.  If he took the instructions very literally about being present on that certain date and  he may have been counted elsewhere.

He may have been in Hospital?  try looking at Institutions nearby.
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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 July 15 22:59 BST (UK) »
Maybe he filled in the form and signed it, but then went to visit Mum on census night. When the enumerator collected the form his wife pointed this out so the enumerator struck his name out.
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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 July 15 23:24 BST (UK) »
The census was taken on the night of Sunday 2nd April, and the forms were given to the households a few days prior to that date.  So maybe Charles simply filled it in and signed it assuming that he would be there and then wasn't, so someone (his wife or the enumerator ?) crossed him out before the form was picked up.

The other Charles Weedon, stepson to Ruth, was single and born in London, this Charles was married to Ada and born in Winchester so are they likely to be the same person ?

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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 July 15 23:33 BST (UK) »
Kilkenny Lass,

I spotted that inconsistency just after posting ... but the birth date agrees and I found no other candidates ... wishful thinking perhaps.  Will have to dig deeper I suppose.

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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 July 15 00:22 BST (UK) »
I agree there is nothing too odd about Charles' name having been crossed through & it looks likely he'd included himself before realising or having it pointed out by the enumerator that absence on census night meant he should not appear even if he normally lived there.  The enumerator has then completed at bottom left the numbers of occupants totalling 7, i.e. excluding Charles.

I see that he was Charles Samuel or Samuel Charles in other records, including daughter Ada Victoria Elizabeth's 1901 baptism, so have you looked for him as Samuel?

On the other hand he is Jemuel Charles in his Army records, and Charles Jemuel on marriage to Ada Elizabeth King (Lambeth, Sep qtr 1899).  Another name to explore.  Perhaps the Samuel examples are mistranscriptions of the much rarer Jemuel.

As an aside I also see that Ada Victoria E was born on 22 Jan 1901, the day of Queen Victoria's death - perhaps explaining the choice of second name :)
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Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 July 15 00:42 BST (UK) »
Jemuel Charles Weedon was baptised at Basingstoke, 22 Sep 1875, son of Henry & Sarah Ann.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 July 15 00:48 BST (UK) »
Between enlistment in 1893 and his marriage to Ada in 1899, Jemuel Charles' stated next of kin in Army records was his father Henry Weedon of 5 Simpson St, Wilcox Rd, Clapham, London.

Helpfully, Henry (58 b Farnham, Surrey), his wife Sarah Ann (59 b Marsdon, Oxon) and some of their children were still at that address in 1901 - right next door to Charles & Ada and their little girls who were at 7 Simpson St. RG13/417/24/39.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: One for the experts
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 July 15 01:13 BST (UK) »
Jemuel Charles Weedon was baptised at Basingstoke, 22 Sep 1875, son of Henry & Sarah Ann.

Matches what I have, Samuel Charles Weedon b Q3 1874 Winchester, Hants
1881 census Samuel C Weedon aged 7 b Winchester son of Henry & Sarah Ann
1891 census Samuel C Weedon aged 17 b Winchster son of Henry & Sarah Ann
1899 July marriage to Ada Elizabeth King
1901 census Charles Weedon aged 27 b Winchester wife of Ada
(1911 census Charles Weedon aged 38 b Winchester wife of Ada)

The Charles Weedon who is stepson of Ruth, was born Q1 1873 St Saviour, Southwark son of Henry & Rachel Weedon

Still doesn't explain why Charles is crossed out in 1911 though !
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