Gillan Gillen Gillon

[griogair]

Might be worth checking for Poor Law/Workhouse records. Many people born in Ireland who moved to Scotland claimed under the Poor Law (the equivalent of today's social security). If they did, their case files usually noted their parish of origin in Ireland. (This was because for recent arrivals they could be returned to that parish). The records often also contain details of next of kin. Interesting in its own right too. I am not sure where Dunbartonshire Poor Law records are kept. But it might be worth searching for them because if any of these families did claim, it may answer your question as to their origins.

Thank you, I will defo try this. 😄

Hi Zebrakat,

I haven't been able to view the Poor Law records yet but have just discovered that my ancestor Patrick Gillan came from County Cavan in Ireland which narrows down my search for a place of origin for my Gillans quite a bit. Thought this could possibly be of help if you were able to link to my Gillans.

I also came across a birth record for a Laurence Gillon yesterday but you'll probably have this already. Laurence Gillon. b. 22 Aug 1873 at Blairdardie Rows, New Kilpatrick. Father, John Gillon - coalminer. Mother, Ann McAubray. Parents married, 10 Jun 1868, Kilmarnock.

As far as I know Blairdardie was the neighbouring mining township to Garscadden as I mentioned in a previous comment. There seem to be many Gillans involved in coal/ironstone mining in this area at this time.

Best wishes.

[Zebrakat]

Might be worth checking for Poor Law/Workhouse records. Many people born in Ireland who moved to Scotland claimed under the Poor Law (the equivalent of today's social security). If they did, their case files usually noted their parish of origin in Ireland. (This was because for recent arrivals they could be returned to that parish). The records often also contain details of next of kin. Interesting in its own right too. I am not sure where Dunbartonshire Poor Law records are kept. But it might be worth searching for them because if any of these families did claim, it may answer your question as to their origins.

Thank you, I will defo try this. 😄

Hi Zebrakat,

I haven't been able to view the Poor Law records yet but have just discovered that my ancestor Patrick Gillan came from County Cavan in Ireland which narrows down my search for a place of origin for my Gillans quite a bit. Thought this could possibly be of help if you were able to link to my Gillans.

I also came across a birth record for a Laurence Gillon yesterday but you'll probably have this already. Laurence Gillon. b. 22 Aug 1873 at Blairdardie Rows, New Kilpatrick. Father, John Gillon - coalminer. Mother, Ann McAubray. Parents married, 10 Jun 1868, Kilmarnock.

As far as I know Blairdardie was the neighbouring mining township to Garscadden as I mentioned in a previous comment. There seem to be many Gillans involved in coal/ironstone mining in this area at this time.

Best wishes.

Hello

No I havent got all the siblings records as yet, so thank you. I was just trying to organise my records to make my search a little more efficient. I do have John & Ann marriage as John was married previously in Ayr. John is my husband 3 x Grandfather. It's his 4 x Grandfather Laurence I can't seem to trace him back to Ireland. I want to obtain John's birth record too because he was born in Ireland I believe.

I do believe John etc all had a sibling called Patrick even my husband has a sibling Patrick. They have consistently used family names for years, Joseph, John, Samuel. Laurance, etc etc

I have a strong feeling there is a connection between our families.

[aghadowey]

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[markggillen]

I'm looking for my Great-great grandfather Luke Gillen.  I'm not entirely sure where in Ireland he's from suffice to say he was born about 1825.  Although I don't know specifically based on my Ancestry DNA tests it might be Connacht (Mayo, South and West), or Muenster (Cork, Central and East).

He married a Bridget Burns in the US but I suspect the families knew each other in Ireland.  Bridget (or Bridgette or Brigida) was born in Feb, 1828, but where precisely in Ireland is unknown to me.

I see by the posts in this forum topic that there are Gillens on root chat so I'm hoping to get in contact with someone who can give me a hand understanding where the Gillen family are concentrated.

Thanks,
Mark Gillen

[greeneyedgirl]

Mark, I found a Luke Gillen in the Tithe Applotment Books (probably too early for your Luke-but an idea).

1829
Luke Gillen
townland: Mullinary Cortenell
parish: Aghnamullen
county:Monaghan

In Griffiths Valuation:
1854
Luke Gillan
townland: Tinode
parish: Street (Granard)
county:Westmeath

1858
Luke Gillan
townland: Knappagh Beg
parish: St John
county: Sligo

Just to give an idea of maybe where to look.

[Maiden Stone]

Mark has since begun a topic about Luke Gillen.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=866254

[markggillen]

Mark, I found a Luke Gillen in the Tithe Applotment Books (probably too early for your Luke-but an idea).

1829
Luke Gillen
townland: Mullinary Cortenell
parish: Aghnamullen
county:Monaghan

In Griffiths Valuation:
1854
Luke Gillan
townland: Tinode
parish: Street (Granard)
county:Westmeath

1858
Luke Gillan
townland: Knappagh Beg
parish: St John
county: Sligo

Just to give an idea of maybe where to look.

Thanks, these are wonderful.  My Luke Gillen was born around 1825 but where in Ireland is a complete mystery.  His marriage to Bridget Burns took place in the United States in November of 1844 so my Luke pre-dates the Luke Gillen's you mentioned, however, I'm hoping that one Gillen will lead to another.  I'm also doing the search genetically which is how I came upon a Thaddeus Gillen married to an Anna Lenhan (or Lenaghan).  I mean every thread is one more thread I didn't have before.

Thank you for taking the time to add to my research.

Regards,
Mark Gillen

[markggillen]

Mark, I found a Luke Gillen in the Tithe Applotment Books (probably too early for your Luke-but an idea).

1829
Luke Gillen
townland: Mullinary Cortenell
parish: Aghnamullen
county:Monaghan

In Griffiths Valuation:
1854
Luke Gillan
townland: Tinode
parish: Street (Granard)
county:Westmeath

1858
Luke Gillan
townland: Knappagh Beg
parish: St John
county: Sligo

Just to give an idea of maybe where to look.

Thanks, these are wonderful.  My Luke Gillen was born around 1825 but where in Ireland is a complete mystery.  His marriage to Bridget Burns took place in the United States in November of 1844 so my Luke pre-dates the Luke Gillen's you mentioned, however, I'm hoping that one Gillen will lead to another.  I'm also doing the search genetically which is how I came upon a Thaddeus Gillen married to an Anna Lenhan (or Lenaghan).  I mean every thread is one more thread I didn't have before.

Thank you for taking the time to add to my research.

Regards,
Mark Gillen

I'm wondering if the Luke Gillen in Sligo might be related to a Thaddeus (or Thadeus) Gillen also from Sligo, Drumcliff Parish I believe.  I know I have a genetic match to Thaddeus so perhaps Gillen in Sligo might prove to be a useful lead.

Again thanks for your help.

Regards,

Mark Gillen

[Wilgil86]

Mark. There comes a point in Irish genealogy where everyone hits a brick wall because of issues with lack of records, and unfortunately it is fairly recent, 1800-1820s for most. Many people have gotten to the brick wall point that you are at, and have either given up on Irish genealogy or began YDNA testing. It's has become popular especially for those of Irish descent because it opens up more avenues of research. Unlike Autosomal DNA which fades away after a few generations YDNA will tell you who you are related to for thousands of years as well so you can see where your family branched off from other families over the centuries.

An extra benefit of YDNA testing is that you can connect to people that have a connection to a certain area or a certain person already and can join projects to further your Genealogy research.

I myself have tested the BigY at FTDNA, and am trying to find more Gillen/Gillan connections. Through autosomal DNA I have matches in county Mayo, Sligo, Donegal, Tyrone, and Antrim. As you have said in a post your Gillens may be of Scottish descent which is something I am trying to prove as well, YDNA testing can help. Reach out if you have questions. - Bill Gillen