1841 Census lookup - WEBB family

[fred2derf]

Several possible deaths for Charlotte 1857 - 1861.

Not enough to work with.

Can we eliminate the 1851 Berkshire one for sure?

Fred.

[jonwarrn]

Could this be them in 1851, although it says Charles born Battersea
piece 1499 folio 136 page 23
3 Felix Place, Islington
Charlotte Leech Head Widow 61 Laundress, born Oxfordshire
Charles Webb Son Unmarried 24 Plasterer Surrey Battersea
Eliza Webb Daur 18 Midx Marylebone
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Marriage, 17 July 1842 at St Pancras
John Leech, widower + Charlotte Webb, widow, father John Richins (or Rickins?)

Marriage possibilty, 6 October 1816, Paddington
Thomas Webb + Charlotte Richens

[jonwarrn]

Address on the 1842 marriage was Cumberland Market
1841
piece 684 book 11 folio 24 pages 41 and 42
Cumberland Market, St Pancras
Jno Leach 50 M S No (not born county)
Jno Leach 30 No
Charlotte Webb 45 Laundress No
Caroline Webb 15 No
Cha Webb (male) 10 No
Charlotte Webb 8 No

(page 41, with Jno Leach x 2 at the bottom is given as folio 23 on Ancestry, etc)

[jonwarrn]

Are they the right Charles Webb and mother Charlotte?
Anyway, there is a settlement exam for Charlotte Leech, age 72, 23 Aug 1860
Is in the Islington Rough Settlement Exam books, 1859-60
The info was given by her daughter Caroline
Has produced the marriage cert, 17 July 1842, of her mother to John Leech
Charlotte twice married, first to Thomas Webb (Caroline's father) in Paddington 43 years ago
Thomas died 30 years ago
Leech died 9 years ago
Mother has lived at 3 Felix Place for 16 years, rents it at £24 per yr + rates. Lives in the kitchen and lets off the house (4 rooms)
John

[fred2derf]

Hi John,

Thanks for looking at this one.  A few things fit and a few don't.

I think it's fair to say Charlotte was not born in London/Middlesex.

With the possible marriage in 1816 and the death for Thomas about 1830 we so far have only the one baptism in 1827 for Charles senior.

I'm not even sure this is the right baptism for junior:

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Charles Webb
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jun 1852
Father: Charles Webb [porter]
Mother: Mary Webb
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
[b. 4 Apr. 1852][Abode Hudd St]


Fred

[fred2derf]

Is this the clue we need? However he is a garden labourer in shipping record.

Is this the baptism of the Mary Ann in the 1857 shipping record?

Mary Ann  2  -  Islington London  on board

Mary Ann Webb
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1855
Baptism Place: Croydon, District of St James, Surrey, England
Father: Charles Webb
Mother: Mary Webb

Surrey baps:
Mary Ann Webb
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1855
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, St John
Parish as it Appears:   Croydon
Father: Charles Webb [Plasterer]
Mother: Mary Webb
Reference Number: 2888/1/16
[Abode Croydon]

[fred2derf]

Age in shipping record and place of origin fit 1827 baptism in Marylebone.  Place of birth could be outside Middlesex as Charles was baptised at abt 5 mo.

[lstock]

Hi - I am researching the Webb family also and was excited to see this chat forum.  Charlotte Eliza Webb married George Oxley and they travelled to Sydney with brother Charles and Mary Ann Webb in 1857. Their mother, Charlotte, after being widowed by Thomas, married William Starkey 20 Nov 1831, who was Charlotte Eliza's father but he died a year later.  She went on to marry John Leech in 1842.
Would anyone have Charles baptism church record 13 Jun 1852 at St Mary's?  I have his sister Mary Ann's record.  Fred mentioned the baptism record recording father Charles as a Porter - could this read Plasterer?
John (jonw65) mentioned the Islington Rough Settlement Exam books 1859-60.  Is there anyway I could get a copy of the insert about Charlotte. Also could I get a copy of the actual 1851 census record stating Charles Webb unmarried 24 was actually a Plasterer.   This could be how George Oxley met his sister as he was a Plasterer also.
Thanks Lynette

[Eyesee]

A number of trees on Ancestry have an elder sister to Charles named Caroline born c1822.

They also have Charlotte as being from Nuffield in Oxfordshire.

They are in St Pancras in 1841, and Charles is definitely a Plasterer in 1851.

Charlotte born in Oxfordshire in 1851.

In 1861 Charlotte LEACH is in St Mary's Islington. This is where her birthplace is given as Nuffield. Has two MANNS grandchildren with her that were her daughter Caroline's. Caroline married George MANNS in 1841.

Ian C