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Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« on: Thursday 16 July 15 07:34 BST (UK) »
Good Evening All ~ I've always had great luck posting requests ~ so I'm in hopes we'll be able to break this brick wall...
I've posted this request before but had lost my original notes ~ I've now found!!!!

My great-grandmother was Katherine Marie Meisner, often went by Marie Katherine Meisner born 11/18/1898 ?? Some of the records show 1900.  Some of her records show she was born in Denmark and some show she was born in Utah??? The family story is that her father was Peter Meisner and mother Maren Sorensen.  While they were traveling to the United States her mother gave birth to her and died during childbirth.  During the next few years her father re-married and the new wife wanted nothing to do with his children especially the youngest one and it was at that point he had to put my great-grandmother into an orphanage.  Let me tell you for about 40 years we all believed this story.  About 4years ago I found infomation that this story was not true.  In fact what I found out makes a bit more sense, but breaks my heart so I would really like to finish this story and fill in the gaps.  This is what I know now to be true:

My great-grandmother was born 11-18-1895 to 1898 - I'm not sure exactly where she was indeed born because if she was born in 1895 then she would have been born in Denmark.  If she was born in 1898-1900 then she would have been born in the United States because I do have ship records showing the family coming to America in 1896. I should say the family of Peter Meisner and Maren (Sorensen) Meisner with my great-grandmother's siblings.  They are traveling with a younger daughter with a very similiar name as my gg-mother but I can't confirm it's her or another sibling.

Here's why...the skeleton in the closet is who her mother actually was....Peter's wife Maren was sick and dying from 1900 to 1902 when she passed away.  The story is that Peter had an affair with a woman by the name of Katherine White during that time of his wife's passing.  Katherine White was apparently married as well with several other children (not all from her husband) she may have also suffered from some mental illness because of how she coped with these affairs.  The children when born were given their fathers last names. Somewhere shortly after Maren passed away Katherine approached Peter Meisner basically dropping her off on his doorstep.  Unable to explain the child to the family of his wife who passed away he was unable to keep the child (my ggrandmother) his other children by Maren stayed with him for awhile but eventually were sent to live with family across the states.  My great-grandfather sent her to an orphanage in Los Angeles, CA.  I actually spoke to one of the nuns that remembered her and was in her charge, these were the notes I lost over the years and recently found.  The orphanage is (was) The Convent of the Good Shepherd in Los Angeles, CA.  I will have to try and get those records by phone or find out where they've gone to.  My struggle is that I can not find any census or school records or really anything showing my great-grandmother existed before 1922 when she got married.  How she actually got to Los Angeles, from either Utah or Idaho, is a mystery.  Her father Peter Meisner eventually settled down with his 2nd wife Thomine in Idaho and he was a cobbler (shoe-maker).  The odd twist to all this was my ggrandmother eventually needed a birth certificate and had to get an affidaviate from her father and a statement from the family bible... to prove her birth...so she not only re-united with her father, but when she had my grandmother at some point she reunited with her siblings, because my grandmother had fond memories with her cousins, whom I actually spoke with during some of my earlier research...everyone and anyone that shared those memories or have additional information have also passed on.  My ggrandmothers life was so very tramatic, filled with heart-ache, tons of loss and her life ended in the same manner that I would love to fill in the missing info and finish her story.  I would also love to finish this for my father as well before his time comes.  They shared a very solid, loving relationship and they were so close ~ one of the few joyful moments in her life....Any help to finishing this story would so greatly be appreciated.

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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 July 15 16:43 BST (UK) »
So what does your g-grandmother's birth certificate say as to her date and place of birth and her mother's name?  Surely if her father gave the info, it would be correct?

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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 July 15 16:54 BST (UK) »
"1922 when she got married"

Who did she marry and where?
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 July 15 17:31 BST (UK) »
This is a link to the past thread about this family:  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=664973.0


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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 July 15 04:40 BST (UK) »
This is one of the mysteries...my dad and I figure when my ggrandmother applied for social security (1950's???) she had to apply for a birth certificate.  When I use to assess tenants in apartment bldgs for the Archdiosese I came across an interesting fact on my first time out...I noticed every single tenant was born in 1900...I had to ask because what are the odds...that was when I learned about social security in it's infantcy.  Most people either didn't have a birth certificate, or they were born on the prairie (so to speak) and had to wait for the nearest priest to record the birth either in the family bible or the church records.  So like I said my dad and I think that after thinking she was an orphan for many years now discovers she had a father and siblings.  She did get a statement recording her birth from the family bible in order to get a make shift birth certificate, but then I have marriage certificates that all mark her place of birth and her birthdate , each one showing a different date and place.

What I'm looking for specifically is that 1910 census in Los Angeles showing her listed at the Convent of the Good Shepherd.  Also, one of the members here found a census I think from 1905  showing the family and another daughter with a similiar name being with the catholic church orphanage in like Chicago (????) so we're not sure if the family gave her to the church there and the nuns came to LA on a mission trip with my ggrandmother or if my gggrandfather brought her to LA.  Most of the girls in the family (her siblings) were named either Marie Katherine, Katherine Marie, Anne Marie, or Marie Anne...several of them all died around my great grandmothers birth so its very hard to confirm which one she is if at all because don't forget Maren Sorensen was not her mother...so again I hit a brick wall with more questions.

When I spoke to the nuns 25 years ago they said she constantly ran away and they would go retrieve her...shortly before her 18th birthday she hopped the wall again and by this time the nuns gave up.  She met Harold Trimble and they married in 1922...so on that note she would have her birth anywhere from 1898 - 1902.  If that is true then she wasn't born in Denmark cause the family came to america 1896.  I can't find any information on the person we know now to be her mother Katherine White...We know my gggrandfather moved from Idaho to Utah and back and forth again. And yes the family (her siblings) were all solid members of the Morman Church.  I'm waiting to hear back from the nuns at the orpanage to acquire the admittance records, and in hopes while waiting someone here might actually have a census for me to look at...

My 35+ year search continues on   ;D

Anything is helpful
Tara

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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 July 15 18:53 BST (UK) »
FYI -
There is no birth certificate. Social Security accepted the family bible and a note from her father. Social Security uses 1900 for people born before and if theres no documentation. Her other documentation states 1898. But as we're locating more and more information regarding my great grandmother we're seeing her birth could actually be as early as 1895.

What I'm looking for at this moment is a census for 1910 los angeles, ca showing the Convent of the Good Shepherd.  I spoke to the nun that admitted her it appears the nun is still alive, but I can't imagine that to be so.  Her name is Sister Eileen Robinson.

I have a request posted to the sisters to try and get a copy of her admitting records and hopefully that will be telling to a lot more information.

I'm also trying to figure out if the "Mirah" living at the Good Shepherd in Colorado is her as well and maybe she was transferred from there to Los Angeles.

Again, any help is so greatly appreciated.
Tara

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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 July 15 10:02 BST (UK) »
Hi
I have now found the birth of Mirah (Marie). She was born 18 Nov 1894 in Aarhus, Marie Katrine Meisner Madsen......

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17124488#165453,27792382     page 32, record nr 7.

I hope the link works.

It says that the father was a married man, Sorike (?) Mattesen a farmer from Esbjerg. It also states that Maren's husband Hans Peter Andreas Meisner was in America at the time.


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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 July 15 11:18 BST (UK) »
Wow Ian ~
I don't know what to say...this new information now completely changes the story and the truth...

Is there a way to get the full translation?   Is this her birth certificate...so to speak? So if I'm reading
this correctly she would have been 2 when they went to america and when Maren Sorenson died in 1902 this might be why she was put in the orphanage??? Wow...and do you have that census that show Mirah in the orphanage in Colorado Springs????

Wow...I don't know what to say...and where did Katherine White come into all this....jeeze! Who is Katherine White ????? I'm completely shocked...don't expect you to answer the last set of questions...I'm just talking out loud...

Anything else you can find for me on this family and who the daddy is??? We're they all neighbors or something????

Thanks
Tara

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Re: Need Help - Found Original Notes - Katherine Marie Meisner**
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 July 15 11:30 BST (UK) »