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« on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:06 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I am very new to RootsChat but I hope the experts out there can help me.  I have searched all the sites I know for the birth references for William Bryder, born close to 1898 in the village of Tillington in West Sussex to William and Alice Kate Bryder.  He is mentioned in the 1901 census and he fought and was killed in WW1.  I would be grateful if anyone can tell me what I might try to find his birth reference.

Many thanks and regards,

TJP

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Re: No birth records
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:11 BST (UK) »
Hi

Welcome to rootschat

Could this be his birth registration
March qtr 1889
William Henry Bryder       
Midhurst    2b   395

Midhurst RD covers Tillington

Sorry ignore that I am 10 years out  ::)
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:14 BST (UK) »
Welcome TJP from me too :)

I saw the 1889 one too but it seems much too early.

Oddly the likely marriage of the parents is as CARVER not BRYDER:

Marriage, Mar qtr 1897

John William J CARVER (matches paternal given names in 1901 census)
Alice Kate DANIELS

Midhurst reg district, vol 2b p587
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: No birth records
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:16 BST (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Wednesday 15 July 15 18:14 BST (UK)

I saw the 1889 one too but it seems much too early.


I have deleted it, I was having a rush of blood to the head  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:16 BST (UK) »
Following on from the marriage, there's a birth of William Bryder CARVER, Dec qtr 1897 Midhurst.

(We all have days like that, Rosie ;D)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:20 BST (UK) »
Subsequent children born in Midhurst reg district:

Charles Bryder CARVER, Jun qtr 1899
Mary Bryder CARVER, Mar qtr 1901
Minnie Bryder CARVER, Sep qtr 1902
Percy Elliff B CARVER, Mar qtr 1905
Nelly Kathleen B CARVER, born & died Mar qtr 1907
Robert Bryder CARVER, Dec qtr 1908
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: No birth records
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:34 BST (UK) »
John William Joseph CARVER was baptised on 18 July 1869 at St Peter, Croydon, son of John Carpenter CARVER and Mary (nee BAKER, married Reigate 16 Apr 1859).

Something may have happened to the parents because, by 1871, 1 yr old John was in Tillington with William and Charlotte T BRYDER as their nephew.  He can also be seen with them in 1891.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:38 BST (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Wednesday 15 July 15 18:34 BST (UK)
Something may have happened to the parents

Oh dear.

John Carpenter CARVER was convicted of the murder of his wife Mary at Guildford Assizes on 8 August 1870, and sentenced to death.

There is more information available, but you may or may not want to know - just say if you want this explored further.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 18:56 BST (UK) »
Going back to William & Charlotte Bryder who may have brought up JWJ Carver - it looks as though Charlotte was nee Carver, sister of John Carpenter Carver.  William & Charlotte married in Midhurst district in early 1860.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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