Medal Record Cards and Merchantile marine medals

[wakokid]

My grandfather, Charles Frederick Nutman (born 1878) attested to the Militia (Northumberland RGA) in 1906.

I have downloaded a copy of his attestation.

I have now found a medal record card for Charles Nutman (no Frederick mentioned) with the following information:-

Corps RFA - Rank Driver ? - Regimental no. 87545
Corps RGA - Rank blank - Regimental no. 227672

Medals - Victory and British - Roll RGA/223B - Page 13371

I am trying to check if this is the same man as my grandfather later served in the Merchant Navy and was awarded the usual merchantile medals and ribbons in 1919

can anybody help or point me in the right direction please?

[km1971]

Hard to say with any certainty. Probably a different man - although have you found a second man with that name on FreeBMD or in a census?

He should not have been awarded a second BWM. Also if the WW1 man was discharged and then joined the Merchant Navy he is likely to be awarded a Silver War Badge. 227672 is a number to a territorial unit. He must have joined them after March 1917, as that is when 6-six numbers were issued to the TF.

So my guess is they are two men but only 70-30. You should concentrate on finding his Merchant Navy service - FindMyPast has two that could match - http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/merchant-navy-seamen?firstname=charles&firstname_variants=true&lastname=nutman

But hard to say when he joined. He would have been 40 in 1918, so not old enough to be discharged due to age. And the lack of a SWB suggests he served to the end of the war.

Added... the WW1 Gunner also went by the name Thomas Charles Nutman - http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5119/41629_625537_9452-00043/2694707?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3diwoservicemedalawardrolls%26gss%3dangs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dcharles%26gsln%3dnutman%26msbdy%3d1878%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3de13%26pcat%3d39%26fh%3d1%26h%3d2694707%26recoff%3d6%2b7%26ml_rpos%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

So two different men.

Ken

[wakokid]

Ken

Thank you for your expertise.

Yes, two different men.

I have both of the merchant documents listed although I did think that they were part of one and the same from his seaman's pouch. They show the two different Dis A numbers shown.

The New Wortham is just a mistranscription of Newcastle.

Thank you again.

Regards

Paul