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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 05 July 15 09:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you JenB - Robert
OOPs that is my old original post I did put it on there.
Turnbull - (Cramlington - Northumberland)
Turnbull - (South Shields - Durham)
Winn - (Morpeth -  Northumberland)
Hill - (Staffordshire - [Wednesfield] - Shropshire [Pontesbury])
Bedwell - ([Leiston] - Suffolk) - ([London] Middlesex)
Fisher - (Suffolk)

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 05 July 15 11:01 BST (UK) »
Quote from: JenB on Sunday 05 July 15 09:05 BST (UK)
There is a related thread here (the signatures posted on p.7)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=504598.msg3613095#msg3613095

Thanks Jen  ::)

Hi Robert,

Yes always a good idea to share links to save "double trouble".

Got your PM  ;D

Was there ANY mention of where your g/father Robert was born (for definite) or are you just assuming Northumberland  ???
Do you know if he had any siblings   ???
Was there ever any clue to his mother's forename which would help ???
You would expect anyone to mention their parents throughout life whether alive or deceased  ???
Was it ever mentioned that any of his (your g/father Robert's) female kids was named after her grandmother “Turnbull”?

Is it possible things are a bit mixed up and…………it was your g g/father Robert who was killed during the war (as that would seem more likely)?

Annie


South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 05 July 15 11:26 BST (UK) »
Only possible matching death I could find (Northumberland):

Robert H Turnbull
Estimated birth year:   abt 1860
Registration Year:   1915
Registration Quarter:   Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death:   55
Registration district:   Newcastle upon Tyne
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:   Northumberland
Volume:   10b
Page:   63

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 05 July 15 11:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie, My uncle George Stroud Turnbull was born 26 Dec 1931 and I have his birth certificate Robt & Jessie - living at 20 Lee Crescent, Annitsford, Weetslade UD
Robert Turnbull died 2 March 1932  20 Lee Crescent, Annitsford, Weetslade UD
Male  50 years  Colliery Surface Labourer Haemorrhagic Right Lung.

So he must be my grandfather. I have a photo the children; my mother Joyce as the eldest (1924),  Elizabeth (b 1925), Joan (b 1929) and George (b 1931).
I have tried to link Lacelot Algood Turnbull (a witness on the marriage certificate) and cannot verify any real link to the Turnbull brothers of Crow Hall Farm. Robt & Jessie married in Morpeth St Mary's, my mother was born Cramlington and they lived at Beacon Farm (miner's cottage) just cross the road from Crow Hall Farm. No I have no evidence Robt was born in NBL. I have pretty much exhausted the Durham ones c. b. 1890-1893 and b. 1880-1883. Not even disregarding Robert as his father hekped. One time I thought I was on to a prospect - then 'bang' that Robt son and his family went off to Canada.
Turnbull - (Cramlington - Northumberland)
Turnbull - (South Shields - Durham)
Winn - (Morpeth -  Northumberland)
Hill - (Staffordshire - [Wednesfield] - Shropshire [Pontesbury])
Bedwell - ([Leiston] - Suffolk) - ([London] Middlesex)
Fisher - (Suffolk)

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 July 15 12:06 BST (UK) »
Sorry I meant to say I have looked for Winnifred (1923 died within a month), Joyce, Elizabeth, Joan - the female children of Robt & Jessie to no avail. I have met relatives who met and knew Jessie - couple attended her 2nd and 3rd weddings (2 = 1942 Albert Thomas and 3= 1965 Joseph Marsh

I have met and we (my wife and I) have visited their son when Jessie was a Thomas. No children with Marsh. Obvious.
Robert
Turnbull - (Cramlington - Northumberland)
Turnbull - (South Shields - Durham)
Winn - (Morpeth -  Northumberland)
Hill - (Staffordshire - [Wednesfield] - Shropshire [Pontesbury])
Bedwell - ([Leiston] - Suffolk) - ([London] Middlesex)
Fisher - (Suffolk)

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 05 July 15 12:33 BST (UK) »
Quote from: muso_bob on Sunday 05 July 15 11:47 BST (UK)
Robert Turnbull died 2 March 1932  20 Lee Crescent, Annitsford, Weetslade UD
Male  50 years  Colliery Surface Labourer Haemorrhagic Right Lung.

So he must be my grandfather. I have a photo the children; my mother Joyce as the eldest (1924), Elizabeth (b 1925), Joan (b 1929) and George (b 1931).
I have tried to link Lacelot Algood Turnbull (a witness on the marriage certificate) and cannot verify any real link to the Turnbull brothers of Crow Hall Farm.

Robert,

The death I found could possibly be your g grandfather Robert, born c 1860 - d 1915 (during the war)
Born 1860 would allow for his son your g/father Robert to have been born 1882  ::)

The excercise with female names of your g/father's kids was to try & establish if any were named after your grandfather Robert's mother  ???

Do you know which, if any of the 3 females were named after your Winn line  ???

You still haven't said if you are sure Robert was born Northumberland or if it's just that you think he was  ???

As you were born in Scotland.................(not sure what the connection there was) but do you think maybe Robert (your g/father) was born Scotland as I think Turnbull is common on the Scottish borders  ???

Annie

ADDED.....You haven't answered my question as in......do you know if your g/father Robert had any brother's/sisters  ???
This would help in tracing them on a census  ;)
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 05 July 15 12:58 BST (UK) »
Winn - Jane G Gmother and her mother Jane as well. There are Margaret, Sarah and Mary only - very compact.

"You still haven't said if you are sure Robert was born Northumberland or if it's just that you think he was  ???
As you were born in Scotland.................(not sure what the connection there was) but do you think maybe Robert (your g/father) was born Scotland as I think Turnbull is common on the Scottish borders  ???

" Answer - my mother only ever spoke of NBL never claimed any Scot roots. I was born in Glasgow 1946 as my father and mother both Air Force during war demobbed in the north. I have been sent a number of pages of notes sent to a second cousin on the maternal Winn side Hill. She had a lot of contact with George Turnbull (deceased 10 years now). I am going to read these pages to see if he has anything of interest to add. Robert




Annie

ADDED.....You haven't answered my question as in......do you know if your g/father Robert had any brother's/sisters  ???
This would help in tracing them on a census
Turnbull - (Cramlington - Northumberland)
Turnbull - (South Shields - Durham)
Winn - (Morpeth -  Northumberland)
Hill - (Staffordshire - [Wednesfield] - Shropshire [Pontesbury])
Bedwell - ([Leiston] - Suffolk) - ([London] Middlesex)
Fisher - (Suffolk)

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 05 July 15 13:11 BST (UK) »
Back again, sorry - No I do not have any idea about brothers or sisters. Robt & Jessie did have a son Robert William (died very soon after birth) and the George Stroud. Haven't thought if that could be brother's names. Not much help there I am afraid. All of the relations I have met have no knowledge of Robert's family at all. He was a loner apparently. Keeping out of the way of his in-laws no doubt, They did what they said Jessie's father and mother dies 1932 and 1936 respectively - Jane gave all her wealth to a house maid. It is frustrating! I have been grasping at some people and following through until I eliminate them. A tedious way finding someone by elimination, however, I have no choice it seems.
Robert
Turnbull - (Cramlington - Northumberland)
Turnbull - (South Shields - Durham)
Winn - (Morpeth -  Northumberland)
Hill - (Staffordshire - [Wednesfield] - Shropshire [Pontesbury])
Bedwell - ([Leiston] - Suffolk) - ([London] Middlesex)
Fisher - (Suffolk)

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Re: Looks obvious but can it be?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 05 July 15 13:39 BST (UK) »
The Robert Turnbull born 25 June 1882 that I was looking at - 1911 Census signature does have a brother George William Turnbull age 27. I have followed this family back through their census all in Prudhoe Castle area. Robert
Turnbull - (Cramlington - Northumberland)
Turnbull - (South Shields - Durham)
Winn - (Morpeth -  Northumberland)
Hill - (Staffordshire - [Wednesfield] - Shropshire [Pontesbury])
Bedwell - ([Leiston] - Suffolk) - ([London] Middlesex)
Fisher - (Suffolk)
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