Looks obvious but can it be?

[muso_bob]

I am trying to find the birth of my grandfather - said he was 29 on marriage certificate Feb 1922, however he was 50 ten years later in 1932 when he died. I have a Robt Turnbull signing 1911 census as 28 year old )mother could not read or write [top] and a Robt Turnbul signature Feb 1922 in church marriage register (not the generic GRO one) scanned from original at Woodhorn. To me it does look obvious that they are two different people. However there are some similarities I wonder is it possoible they could be the same person. My experience with Rootschat is sufficient for to know that there are some amazing members who are specialists in various fields. I am prepared to be put out of my misery. I have attached signatures: 1911 census top and 1922 marriage bottom
Thank you, Robert

[groom]

It looks like two different signatures to me. The lower case bs and rs are different, as is the capital T. Lots of the joins are different as well.

However, there are 10 years between each signature, so his writing could have changed during that time!

Is the 28 on his marriage certificate really clear or could it be a badly formed 3? Was his bride a lot younger than him so he knocked a few years off?

[Ruskie]

I think you are looking at signatures of two different people.  I can't see any similarities at all I'm afraid ....

[Billyblue]

I'd say two different people too.
Even allowing for the 11 year difference, unless he was ill during that period I don't think his signature would have deteriorated to the second one.

But it's all only conjecture isn't it? 

Dawn M

[muso_bob]

I was hanging some hope on the R was a good likeness. Yes the T and the lowercase r's different. However the lowercase b's in the marriage register Ro(b)ert and Turn(b)ull are very different.
Yes Jessie was 21 and Robert clearly 29 on the marriage register. Jessie's parents wrote her out of the will for marrying such an older man. An aunt I never new existed wrote that her ds was very much older than he mam etc. It was finding him dying in the house 2 March 1832 where my grandmother Jessie, my mother 8 aunt 5 and other siblings lived with my granfather where it all came out that he was 50. I don't disagree with any of your comments. It is really looking like back to the drawing board.

Thank you all for your input. Robert

[Rosinish]

Do you have any details of his father........name & occupation & do you have your grandmother's name with maiden name

Annie

ADDED........what was Robert's occupation when he married 

[muso_bob]

Annie, thank you for your post. My grandmother was Jessie Winn 1901 - 1974 - William Wallace Winn father - Jane Hill mother. My grandfather is the mystery one. For a long time - from their marriage certificate I was looking for a Robt T born c. 1892/3 with a father Robert T as well (from the marriage cert. It wasn't until I read a letter sent by my mother's brother George a few years before he died that he mentioned that he was born 26/12/1931 "about 6 weeks or so, before his father died in the room nest door. SO then I thought well they lived at 20 Lee Street Annitsford and ended up with the death details stating age 50. Many family history researchers have said I should rely on the death age as potential more accurate for real age. My father did not know too much about him other than she always said his father's name was Robert, but, then she said he died "in the war" as well as her mother - and they didn't Robt 1932 and Jessie Marsh - remarried- 1974.
My GF was in the mine around Cramlington. It is the Winn side I have had an easier journey of discovery. Thank you for your interest. Robert in OZ 
Added Robert was a 'caretaker' when Jessie and he married.

[Rosinish]

I'm confused.................was Robert's father named as Robert too on his marriage to Jessie/Janet Winn 1922?



Annie

[JenB]

There is a related thread here (the signatures posted on p.7)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=504598.msg3613095#msg3613095