John Jabez Roberts

[sparrett]

dhouston,

I wonder if you also have either or both of the twins death printouts and I wonder who was the informant for each.

Was it information from these which led you to think John Jabez, not Edward ROBERTS was their father.

It is my opinion that Edward was Johns known as Edward. How may nieces follow their uncle from Australia to New Zealand, live with them and pay for their uncles funeral?
Henry mentions his mother was Mary Durie not Caulfield. None of the snippets I have are 100% correct. Thomas and Henry died age 84 and 86. Celebrated their 83rd birthday on the same day when they were 84 and their birth certificates mention that Thomas was 25 days older.
The twins didn't know how old they were.


Sue

So  is that No, you don't have death certifications?

Though you have asserted your belief and you do acknowledge it to be an opinion, to my way of thinking you have not cited any documentary evidence  which supports it.

I think your line of thinking is speculative and if it were my family, I would require a good deal  more.

What documentary evidence I have personally been able to see and which I have mentioned through the thread, does not lend itself to your theory.

Perhaps others who have connections to the family will exchange information with you to help clarify things.

Sue   

[majm]

How may nieces follow their uncle from Australia to New Zealand, live with them and pay for their uncles funeral?

Excuse me, but in 1899, one of my female ancestors moved to NZ from NSW, to live with her uncle.  I am also aware that when her uncle died, that his funeral was paid for by my female ancestor, and further that she received a benefit from his deceased estate.   Not only do I know this directly because my female ancestor told me so back in the pre internet era, (so long before family history was a popular hobby), but also I have confirmed it on several occasions since, including a letter addressed to me, on FD letterhead dated in the 1960s.

The amount of movement between NZ and eastern seaboard ports in Australia from about 1870s to WWI is huge.    Afterall, it had been anticipated by the English Colonial office that there would be SEVEN colonies federating into one in 1901.   

Cheers,  JM 

[majm]

I have their birth certificates. The births were registered 1865. The twins were 84 and 86 when they died. They celebrated their 83rd birthday when they turned 84. The birth certificates have the correct dates. All information after that from the twins indicates they were born 1866 and born the same day. That's incorrect. I love my family history, so many mysteries.

Can you please type up the information from both of those birth certificates? 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Date and place of birth;
 name of child and whether present or not;
 name of parents (including mother's maiden name);
 occupation of parents;
 ages and birthplace of parents;
 date and place of marriage of parents;
 previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased;
 signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
 names of witnesses;
 date and place of registration.


Thanks,

Cheers,  JM

[cando]

They celebrated their birthday on the same day but Thomas Earl was 25 days older.

You have misinterpreted the data on the birth certificates.  Please read the information under the heading

When and where married.  Issue living and deceased.

The births were registered by Edward ROBERTS on 7 Oct 1865 25 days after the births on 12 Sep 1865 so previous issue to Henry was Ellen 2 years and Thomas 25 days....on the date of the registration.

There was no marriage in Melbourne in Sep 1862 between Edward ROBERTS and anyone.  Not married.

Henry mentions his mother was Mary Durie not Caulfield

Well he is wrong if he was born 1865 Ballarat. 

Cando

[sparrett]

This is possibly the correct man in Ballarat 1869


Insolvency of Edward ROBERTS at Ballarat, moulder. Difficulties and reasons for insolvency include illness of self, wife, family

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/112891623

Sue

ADDING

Perhaps another child-

CORFIELD, Mary Ann
Mother Mary CORFIELD
Father -not listed
At Ball
1861
Reg 13492

[cando]

I have copies of attestations.
One of the sons mentions that his mother was Emma Pitt, Orlando's first wife.
Not all information is correct out there.
Alot of information is gathered online but not all of it's correct.
I've been researching since 2000 and have learned to stay open-minded.
I have found errors in books (one published by a Historical Society, regarding Emigrants to Manchester Settlement), online (easy to add information, much hard to correct), newspapers...
Thank you.

Attestations contain information that the enlistee believed to be correct.

All paper based records which are transcribed will contain errors.  Nothing is 100% accurate.





Cando

[cando]

This is possibly the correct man in Ballarat 1869


Insolvency of Edward ROBERTS at Ballarat, moulder. Difficulties and reasons for insolvency include illness of self, wife, family

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/112891623

Sue

ADDING

Perhaps another child-

CORFIELD, Mary Ann
Mother Mary CORFIELD
Father -not listed
At Ball
1861
Reg 13492

My resource has the birth as COFIELD and the

Death
COFIELD Mary Anne
Father Edward  Mother Mary NOT STATED
1862 Ballarat  5 months Reg#184

Cando

[sparrett]

Mmm.. .yes it is  COFIELD.

Sue

[sparrett]

Mmm.. .yes it is  COFIELD.

Sue

Burial CORFIELD this time
 
Ballarat Old Cemetery
CORFIELD, Mary Anne
Aged 5 months
Date 28/1/1862
LOCNK (Location Not Known)

Sue