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Offline TheBanana

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Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« on: Saturday 27 June 15 15:56 BST (UK) »
I am going simply add the details, and would be grateful for those who could help me find the parents, Birth index or more census records for my great-great grandfather JAMES KEMBLE. Thus far, I have found the 1901 and 1911 census for James Kemble but I cannot seem to progress. Here are the details that I hope you can work with. Thank you!

James Kemble (born ca. 1873-1918) married Margaret Lyons (born 1880) in 1898 - they were both born and married in Cardiff, Wales according to the census records and BMD.

Children (all born in Cardiff):
Mary Catherine Kemble born 1899
Margaret May Kemble born 1900
James Kemble born 1901
Theresa Kemble born 1903
Hilda Kemble born 1907
Monica Kemble born 1909
William Francis Kemble born 1910 and died 1968 (my great-grandfather)
Lawrence Kemble born 1912
Dorothy Kemble born 1914

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 June 15 15:09 BST (UK) »
Your best bet would be to buy the marriage certificate as that will give you his father's name and occupation.

I can't see a James Kemble (or variant) birth in Cardiff or find him in the 1881 or 1891 census ???
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 June 15 15:27 BST (UK) »
There is one Kemble family in Cardiff in 1881, but no mention of a James:
Isaac, 37, labourer, born Chepstow
Catherine, 35, born Cardiff
with children all born in Cardiff...
Elizabeth, 19,
Mary Ann, 17
Catherine, 13
Isaac, 15

In 1891 there's only a young couple with 2 very young children, and a 22 year old married woman with a young child. 
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 June 15 19:07 BST (UK) »
There is a birth registered march qtr 1874 in Cardiff

James Cemble

11a 322
Jones, Davies, Evans, Williams, Daniel, Thomas - Glamorgan
Keen, Goodwin, Pyatt, Leese, Bailey, Loffill, Stubley, Brassington, Blurton,  - Staffs

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 June 15 20:23 BST (UK) »
That looks good Welshjo, shame my phonetic search didn't find that one :-[
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 June 15 16:45 BST (UK) »
Quote from: welshjo on Sunday 28 June 15 19:07 BST (UK)
There is a birth registered march qtr 1874 in Cardiff

James Cemble

11a 322

Ah, now that may definitely lead to something.
I did a duration calculation from the date of the 1901 census and the the potential year he was born (judging from the age on the census) and I think this may definitely be him as it matched up.

The only issue now is trying to understand then name change and furthering the line.

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 July 15 15:27 BST (UK) »
There is a mention of a 17 year old James Kemble in Cardiff in 1891 in Welsh Newspapers online - possibly the same person?
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3143971/3143974/60/

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 July 15 16:37 BST (UK) »
It may not be a name change. Just a difference between people hearing and spelling. Census forms often filled in by enumerators whose spelling would be dependent on what they thought they heard and accent of person. BMDs filled in by registrar and spelling mistakes not always noticed.
Jones, Davies, Evans, Williams, Daniel, Thomas - Glamorgan
Keen, Goodwin, Pyatt, Leese, Bailey, Loffill, Stubley, Brassington, Blurton,  - Staffs

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Re: Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 July 15 08:00 BST (UK) »
Quote from: MarMnkly on Friday 03 July 15 15:27 BST (UK)
There is a mention of a 17 year old James Kemble in Cardiff in 1891 in Welsh Newspapers online - possibly the same person?
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3143971/3143974/60/

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Thanks for that!
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