Look up Please - orphanage records

[kiwihalfpint]

The 19 March 1887 entries look like the ones considering the newspaper article was 23 March 1887. No other names or reference numbers?

Regards
Beg

Reference CW14  .... no other names.

Sad to think that a little lad was 3yrs 6months when he went in.

Cheers
KHP

[snwbnnyinoz]

19 March 1887.   The only names that come up are for an Edward, William and Ellen.

Service with a smile :-)

The 19 March 1887 entries look like the ones considering the newspaper article was 23 March 1887. No other names or reference numbers?

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1939 - FITZPATRICK - Eliza - 85 years [ bc 1854 ]

This death was registered 3rd quarter 1939 at Hamilton.

[Records for some cemeteries in this location, are not available for viewing online. ]

Eliza FITZPATRICK - 85yrs - Female - 01/09/1939
Born: 
Buried: 02/09/1939
Type: Burial
Funeral Director: Scrimshaw, E. G.
Last Address: Unspecified
Location: Hamilton East Cemetery - RC-K-091

Not necessarily related but there is a Mary Ann FITZPATRICK in plot RC-K-097. Died 24 Dec 1936 aged 52 years.

Regards
Beg

Elizabeth's son Henry Joseph (Harry) and his wife Meta Merena are also buried in this cemetery.  I have sent a request to my husband's cousin in NZ to see if she can find anything in her Mother's home that can help. You just never know what could be hiding in a drawer.

[snwbnnyinoz]

"New Zealand Herald" - 23 March 1887 - Waikato District News

...Two destitute and neglected boys of a woman named Eliza FITZPATRICK were committed to Kohimarama Training School ...

According to Archway the Kohimarama rolls are listed in...

Nominal Rolls, Industrial Schools 1882-1910 - [CW 14/1-27]

The rolls give a child’s name, age, admission date and arrangements.

Each industrial school has its own record with alphabetical listings of names.

In early years these Rolls include various institutions:

Kohimarama
Howe Street (Auckland)
St Marys (Auckland)
St Stephens (Auckland)
Auckland Girls
[...]

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The 1887 rolls would be...

http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=12026628

Might be worth a look-up request. I have a feeling the indexes to CW 14 have been transcribed and are on the Kiwi CD so that would save the looker-upper a little bit of time.

KHP?

Regards
Beg

One of the newspaper articles stated that Elizabeth had 4 children at St. Mary's Orphanage.

[Janette]

Both John Goodwin and Henry Joseph gave their occupations as "seamen" on their WW1 attestation papers,they may have got their training at the Industrial School

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TC18750518.2.16

Cheers Janette

[Janette]

The school closing

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=THA18921231.2.21

Cheers Janette

[snwbnnyinoz]

Both John Goodwin and Henry Joseph gave their occupations as "seamen" on their WW1 attestation papers,they may have got their training at the Industrial School

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TC18750518.2.16

Cheers Janette

Just had a read, interesting....can you imagine calling anyone an embryo larrikin now a days LOL

[snwbnnyinoz]

A couple of additional things.

The sister Rose may have married someone with the last name Whitley.

The Miss White that was the NOK on Henry's army records apparently took in the 2 if not 3 of the children when they were older.  There was some sort of disagreement when Miss or Mrs White died and someone (perhaps a lawyer) ran off with her money.
This is just stories from the family so I'm not sure how much is correct.

Henry did name one of his children Agnes....presumably after Mrs. White.

Rose may have ended up living in Dunedin.


Thanks, Paula

[Beg Clonrode...]

The sister Rose may have married someone with the last name Whitley.

Rose may have ended up living in Dunedin.

A Rose Hyacinth FITZPATRICK married a Wilson George Benjamin WHITLEY in 1922.

BDM NZ Marriages
1922/5326    - Rose Hyacinth   FITZPATRICK to Wilson George Benjamin WHITLEY

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A Rose H WHITLEY aged 69 years died 28 Oct 1969. Her ashes are scattered at Andersons Bay cemetery, Dunedin.

http://tinyurl.com/pbsolwh

A Wilson George WHITLEY of the same last address as Rose H WHITLEY is also listed on the website

http://tinyurl.com/oovxors

Regards
Beg

[Lucy2]

Hi Paula

I didn't get time to post earlier today but had found the Rose WHITLEY also.

(Miss) Agnes Cecilia WHITE (born in Ireland - probably Co. Wicklow) came to New Zealand as a young child with her parents, Thomas and Sarah Jane WHITE, and three sisters.  [Edit:  One of her three sisters appears to have been born in NZ c. 1862 ]   Agnes remained a spinster and died in Auckland in 1937.   [It was via her will that I had found mention of Rose WHITLEY.]

Her will makes interesting reading, the beneficiaries  of whom were >

Harry Joseph FITZPATRICK
John George FITZPATRICK
Jack White FITZPATRICK
Rose WHITLEY
Agnes Cecilia FITZPATRICK
Joan Grahame WHITE
Jack White FITZPATRICK
Henrietta PURCHASE
Pansy WRIGHT [ Henrietta Mary PURCHASE & Pansy Hilda WRIGHT appear to have been sisters ]
Robert Thurlow WHITE
Owen Connor WHITE
Mary GRAHAME
[So some of the above names will be familiar to you ? ]

And yes, the Will of Agnes was challenged some years after her death (1941) ... there are newspaper reports of same.

I'll add the link for the Probate file, so you can read the Will.    There is one rather touching letter from John George FITZPATRICK. 

Had thought initially that there may have been some family connection between the FITZPATRICKs and the WHITEs, but having also viewed the Will of Sarah Jane WHITE, I think that is not the case.

   ~  Lu

Edit: ^ To add new information since found.