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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #45 on: Saturday 20 June 15 12:37 BST (UK) »
As with the later in life, John William who died in the USA, the time period 1947 to 1952 is not a period area we are use to helping with, as most family researchers usually manage to get back to the 1911c with their own family knowledge gained from their family and BMD certs.


Just a couple of examples,

  WW1 and WW2 also easier travel in the 20th century, people moved around more. Troops brought over in Europe WW1 and  WW2 from the commonwealth countries and the USA, or say a man doing service repair for a international company working in England met a lass, they married, he stayed here as did a few USA troops in WW2.

To the far extreme -

Say he was the son of a big time well known named published criminal or murder or William was a bigamist -answer:- He changed his name.


https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/overview




There are endless possibilities.

In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #46 on: Saturday 20 June 15 13:04 BST (UK) »

There is one more to check out (it seems that nobody can find him either) and now he looks to me the most promising of all...

William Douthwaite born in 1870 at Liverpool
He appears as "Robert William Douthwaite" in the 1871 Lancashire census (he is not on my list).


In 1881 the family are Dowthwaite

He is not Robert W but Robert M in 1871   ;)

Robert Middleton Dowthwaite
Baptism 8 May 1870
St. Catherine's, Edge-Hill, Lancashire
Father Joseph Dowthwaite
Mother Elizabeth

Possibly his death
June qtr 1916 
Dowthwaite  Robert M    age 46   
Birkenhead    8a   668    
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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 20 June 15 14:14 BST (UK) »
Douthwaite William Edward Jun 1868 W Derby (which is a Liverpool District) Vol 8b Pg 412 actually born 28 April 1868 to Henry & Ruth Douthwaite 

or this one

Dowthwaite William Noble bapt April 1868 at St. John the Baptist, Toxteth Park, Liverpool to Joseph & Elizabeth Dowthwaite.

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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 20 June 15 14:20 BST (UK) »
Douthwaite William Edward Jun 1868 W Derby (which is a Liverpool District) Vol 8b Pg 412 actually born 28 April 1868 to Henry & Ruth Douthwaite 

or this one

Dowthwaite William Noble bapt April 1868 at St. John the Baptist, Toxteth Park, Liverpool to Joseph & Elizabeth Dowthwaite.



Have you found either of them on later census

William Noble is brother of Robert Middleton Dowthwaite  ::)
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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 21 June 15 12:19 BST (UK) »
Marriage of parents probably:

Joseph Dowthwaite (occ merchat) married Elizabeth Noble at Liverpool, St Simon on 31 Jul 1858
Groom's father's name:    John Dowthwaite - labourer
Bride's father's Name:    William Noble -  farmer
witnesses: R Palmer and John Wilderson (?) he has bad handwriting!
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 21 June 15 12:34 BST (UK) »
I think as we have proved by spending considerable time on this that it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

As we said at the beginning you really need the marriage certificate.
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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #51 on: Sunday 21 June 15 13:20 BST (UK) »
Baptism: 12 Apr 1868 St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
 William Noble Dowthwaite - [Child] of Joseph Dowthwaite & Elizabeth
     Abode 32 Northumberland Street
     Occupation Greengrocer

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

On the webpage that comes up, 3rd line down it says --- "You may Click "

Click it on the webpage in link
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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 21 June 15 13:48 BST (UK) »
I don't know if you have looked at this one but a tree on ancestry has him dying in Hemsworth 1952
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZGZ-D8B

I suspect it is another Ancestry tree error  ::)

Death March qtr 1872 
Douthwaite  William   age  2   
Guisbro'    9d   351
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Re: The mysterious William
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 21 June 15 14:55 BST (UK) »
Hi

He was buried, would there be a gravestone with any additional info ?

William Douthwaite aged 82 of 28 Engine Lane, Shafton was buried 29 October 1952 at Felkirk, St Peter with Brierley, St Paul.
Other info: Jehovahs Witness ~ not known who performed the ceremony.

claire


For ref. From Felkirk parish register burial page :-

William's grave number in Felkirk church graveyard or cemetery is either S - 176 or S  I -76
Hard the read the 1 or I ( i )

In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth