ida may smith

[Annette7]

Looks like the Ida M. who married a Pritchard in 1947 could be this one:

Ida May Pritchard born 30/3/1901, died September 1982 Kidderminster.   Sometimes baptisms also include birthdates (depends on the vicar) - as your Ida May Smith's birth was registered in June quarter 1901 Kidderminster this would tie in with the above birthdate.   A birth on that date is almost certain to have been in the June quarter.

Annette

[dove13au]

i have her in 1936/7 at 29 leswell lane kidderminster as ida may smith and elizabeth jane smith so i do not think she married.my grandfather was at same address.i think elizabeth jane was my mother.charles hendy was with nellie phipps.on mums marriage cert charles hendy was father.i am not sure but i think her mother left her there i do not know why.ty for help

[Ladyhawk]

George Smith   b 1863  Blymhill Shrops
Elizabeth Jane   b  1872  Kidderminster, Worcs
Bertha Louise   b 1886   Kidderminster
Constance Emma,  b 1893  Kidderminster
Hubert George   b  1996  Kidderminster
Ida May  b  1902  Kidderminster

If the above is your Ida here's the family in 1901/91, some baptisms & possible marriage of parents
b/c of one of the children would confirm mothers maiden name

1901 c RG13; Piece: 2766; Folio: 7; Page: 5
27 Off? Road Kidderminster
George Smith 38 Staffs Overlooker of worsted spinning
 Elizabeth J 39, William 16, Bertha 15, Percy  11, Constance 8 & Herbert  5
All others born Kidderminster

1891 RG12; Piece: 2316; Folio: 15; Page: 23
3 Woodfield Street Kidderminster
George Smith28,
Elizabeth Jane 29, William Alfred 6, Bertha Louisa 5, Percy Harold 2

Baptism Place:   St. John the Baptist, Kidderminster, Worcester, England
Father:  George Mother:   Elizabeth Jane

William Alfred Smith
Baptism Date:   26 Jan 1885

Bertha Louisa Smith
Baptism Date:   26 Apr 1886

Percy Harold Smith
Baptism Date:   13 May 1889

Constance Emma Smith
Baptism Date:   10 Oct 1892

Hubert George Smith
Baptism Date:   12 Aug 1895

Elizabeth Jane Bullock Age:22 father Alfred
29 Sep 1884 St. John The Baptist Church, Kidderminster, Worcester, England
George Smith age 21 father William

Elizabeth Jane Bullock Baptism Date: 4 May 1862   Kidderminster Parish, Worcester
Father: Alfred  Mother:   Caroline

possible death entry for Elizabeth Jane

Elizabeth J SMITH age 76 (b1861) Mar 1937 Kidderminster vol 6c page 142

have her in 1936/7 at 29 leswell lane kidderminster

If someone has access to the Electoral Register for that area perhaps they can check later dates to see if she's still living at that address

[silvery]

Have you got your mother's birth certificate?   Why do you think Ada's parents were George and Elizabeth?

Are you saying your mother puts Charles Hendy as her father on her marriage certificate?
 
And you think Ada left her daughter with Charles Hendy.   Who is Nellie Phipps?   

[dove13au]

ty for reply i will try to answer as best i can.i have been searching for mums birth cert in the name of elizabeth hendy but there is not one. mum always said she was fostered.we knew charles hendy and nellie phipps as our grand parents when we lived in england.since found out nellie was not her mother she lived with charles hendy.kidderminster library sent me list of people who lived where charles and nellie lived.when we lived in england we would visit them at that adress.there was a elizabeth jane and ida may smith in 1936/37living there.so after years of not finding any thing i looked at them.i found elizabeth smith was born oct nov dec 1931 which possible fit in with a birth for my mother.i have my mothers marriage cert she was married as elizabeth hendy her father on cert is charles hendy. i have always known my mother as elizabeth hendy before she married my dad.i could be wrong about this but it seems to fit. i do not know why her mother left her with charles unless he realy was her father.

[Annette7]

First of all, the Ida May Smith living at same address as Charles Hendy in 1936/1937 with Elizabeth Jane Smith.   You do realise that Elizabeth Jane Smith was Ida's mother and not a daughter (children do not appear on electoral rolls)?

You say you found an 'Elizabeth Smith born Oct.-Dec.1931' mmn Smith - however, the only Elizabeth Smith mmn Smith birth that I can find was born in Fulham, London??

Ida's mother Elizabeth Jane died in either Mar.1937 or Dec.1945 Kidderminster - as I already explained, there is no death entry for Ida May Smith so having presumably looked after her mother, when her mother died she was in effect 'free' and I feel sure that the Ida M. Smith marriage  to a Pritchard in 1947 Kidderminster was her - again, as already stated, there is death entry for an Ida May Pritchard with a birthdate that would appear to match that for Ida May Smith.

You say 'when we lived in England' so it sounds as if you left the UK - if so, your mother would have needed a birth certificate to obtain a passport so surely she must have had something??

I do appreciate your problem - believe me - but unless you purchase the birth certificate of the birth entry you've found stating the mother was an Ida May Smith with the child having your mothers birthdate you can't assume that Ida May Smith in Kidderminster had even given birth to a child just because she and her mother were living at the same address as Charles Hendy in 1936/7.   People often rented out rooms and that could be the simple reason why Ida and her mother were living there.

I would have thought that as your mother understood she was 'fostered' surely there must have been some record of this.   Have you approached the appropriate local services in Kidderminster to see if they have any records?   What was your mothers birthdate by the way?   There must have been some written record of her somewhere re. schooling, etc. and she'd have needed a birth certificate for a passport.

As you say, perhaps Charles Hendy really was her father but at this point I don't think you can assume Ida May Smith was her mother until you have a copy of a birth certificate stating this fact and that the childs birthdate was that of your Mum.

Annette 

[dove13au]

ty for that.my mother always said she never had birth cert how she got a passport i do not know.mum has said differant places she was born over the years so i do not know.i have contacted every one in england i can no one can find a birth cert for elizabeth hendy.as far as i know she said she was born 15/10/1929.i do not know if that is true.so dissapointed now i did not know they did not have children on electoral rollty

[silvery]

Sorry for your disappointment.  It's hard.  Electoral rolls at that time were only for those over age 21 (now 18) who have registered to vote. 

There is a birth - but it may be an absolute red herring - and it doesn't fit with the birthdate you have got.

Sep quarter 1932  (so not an October birthday )
Elizabeth J Hendy,  mother's maiden name (mmn) Whitchurch
Keynsham district vol 5c pag 683 (Keynsham is about 80 miles south of Kidderminster)

from freebmd  -  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

edit:   No, sorry.  Wilfred G Hendy married Florence Whitchurch in 1930 Keynsham so doesn't fit.

When was Charles Hendy born?   It may be useful to have a look at him.  Then again it might not.

[dove13au]

charles hendy was born 22/8/1897 in kent this is from his death cert. died 11/5/1978.what is strange is doris simms said on cert she was his daughter.she was nellies  daughter her father was alfred luker.on my mums death cert it said she was born in gillingham kent i did not get any where with that i have tried checking it but have got no where.they are dead now so no luck there' even doris son eddie is dead thank for your help