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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 11 June 15 08:56 BST (UK) »
Well,
That was lucky for us that the indexes updated at the right convenient moment! ::)

I would think, with that in mind, the photo may have been taken between March and June 1917.
That would make the children just under 2 years and the clothing seems right for that time of year.
I think it may be an out of doors photo as the chap is squinting a little perhaps  in the sunlight.

 None of this really identifies him, but to date there is no record to suggest it is the father, so you may be seeking a soldier relative who was close to the family and available for photos at that time in 1917.

Sue
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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 11 June 15 21:44 BST (UK) »
Hi All
Gosh the things you figure out when  you find the finer details!
Thank you so much ;D

I would have sworn that Nanna's (Gweneth Lydia) had a birthday in Dec and we all had her as a Sagittarius.  10 June is Gemini - so pertinent for twins. So they celebrated their birthdays near Christmas all of their lives to cover up the fact that their mother Lena was pregnant when she got married to Arthur?! :o

Well,
That was lucky for us that the indexes updated at the right convenient moment! ::)

I would think, with that in mind, the photo may have been taken between March and June 1917.
That would make the children just under 2 years and the clothing seems right for that time of year.
I think it may be an out of doors photo as the chap is squinting a little perhaps  in the sunlight.

 None of this really identifies him, but to date there is no record to suggest it is the father, so you may be seeking a soldier relative who was close to the family and available for photos at that time in 1917.

Sue
I don't know which was born first Sylvia Lily or Gweneth Lydia. Sylvia did survive to marry and have 2 children. I have baby photos of them and toddler photos prior to the 'Soldier Portrait' provided but they are copies with no information, so your deduction of their age is extraordinarily pretty spot on :). I agree that it seems to be an outdoor shot.

Can you tell from his uniform what rank he is? Uncle John James Baker (Lena's brother) was a Lieut and I agree that I can't find leave in Australia between 18/11/1915 and 15/05/1919 although he did have leave in England in Oct 1917 and went to Cadet School in London in 28/08/1918, I don't see that the family would have traveled to England to visit him but one never can assume?


I am scouring the apartment to find the original of this image to check the back again.

Thank you again
Kim

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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 11 June 15 23:34 BST (UK) »
 
Hi Sue,

That new feature that NSW BDM provided recently has come in handy !   Gweneth L FORDHAM date of birth is either 9th June 1915 or 10th June 1915.    So, as today is 11th June 1915, the NSW BDM online index has only just in the past day, released the information (under the 100 years rule). (Add, Sue's post with the births for the Fordham couple was uploaded 8th June, so just a couple of days before the 100 years had expired before Gweneth's bc reference was listed)

Gweneth L, daughter of Arthur G and Lena A FORDHAM, registered Waratah District with ref no. #46255.     (I have not found her twin  ::)  and I tried to find the births online on the 10th June (ie yesterday as I write this up) but not there, so perhaps Gweneth was born 10th June.

I also tried using "Waratah" as the district, and the dates to search 9 June 1915 to 10 June 1915, and the wild card for the surname.   So, perhaps Gweneth was the elder of the twins, born on different days.

Cheers,  JM

As another day into June has  come on to the online search facility (11th June 1915) I have searched again for Sylvia on  that online search facility and have had no success.
I have used just the registration number and again no result.

However, it is clearly an error and, overall, unimportant as you have from my other source the information, and it is without doubt, correct.

FORDHAM, Sylvia L.
Father Arthur G.
Mother Lena A.
Waratah. 1915
Reg. 216254.

As to the shift of birthday celebration to place their conception inside the marriage, I think we would find it quite a common practice.
 
It seems likely to me the twins made this move themselves at some point in their lives rather than it being an earlier parental decision. A six months leap would be hard to explain in childhood  development  ::)

I am not at all familiar with military uniforms.

On Rootschat there is a board Military Forces. You could post the photo there and ask for help.
The Australian Board also has chatters who are knowledgeable in the field. That also would be worthwhile I think.

Sue
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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #21 on: Friday 12 June 15 00:41 BST (UK) »
Yes,  there are well known flaws in the NSW BDM online index, sometimes with multiple births.  The online index originates from the index prepared in the 1930s, and developed into the fische and CD and other resources, including most likely Sue's resource.   

However, when NSW BDM was transferring over to its then 'new' EDP (Electronic Data Processing) system, that required 'everything' to be re-entered.  So, if there were apparent duplications (for example duplicated information for registering multiple births) or if the cards became jammed..... some entries are simply not showing at the online index.    If Sylvia's birth certificate was needed for some legal purpose, it would be possible to obtain it based on the obvious registration, and also on a full offline search by NSW BDM staff even without knowing Gweneth's registration no. 

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/about-us/history-of-the-registry.aspx 

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #22 on: Friday 12 June 15 21:24 BST (UK) »
Hi All
I just wanted to say thank you so much for all you have done and all of the knowledge and the tools you have given me.
I will find the Military chat as I am now so very curious to find out more about that dashing soldier.
It never ceases to amaze me how just a date and a place of birth can help reveal so much more about those we loved and those who loved them.
You are all awesome
Kind Regards
Kim
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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 13 June 15 00:51 BST (UK) »
Here is the Armed Forces board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/armed-forces/

And here is the Australian board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia/

Sue  ;D ;D
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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #24 on: Monday 15 June 15 05:31 BST (UK) »
On the old NSW BDM CD's there is Sylvie L Fordham, #46254 registered 1915 at Waratah, NSW.
Wide variety of names, mostly Bulfin & Pardy starting in Ireland; Wilson from Scotland and Ford, Taylor, Skinner [with Colmer connections] from England

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Re: Gweneth Lydia Fordham birth
« Reply #25 on: Monday 15 June 15 06:01 BST (UK) »
On the old NSW BDM CD's there is Sylvie L Fordham, #46254 registered 1915 at Waratah, NSW.

Yes, that's right, very kind of you to check and confirm as  Sue has already posted that info.   :)

Hi Kim,
Births in NSW are only available online (including the Ancestry collection) to 1914.
However, because I have other resources, I am able to give you these three births to your couple up to 1918.

FORDHAM, Sylvia L.
Father Arthur G.
Mother Lena A.
Waratah. 1915
Reg. 216254.

FORDAHM, Gweneth
Father Arthur G.
Mother Lena A.
Waratah. 1915
Reg. 216255

FORDHAM, William J.
Father Arthur G.
Mother Lena A.
Waratah. 1918
Reg. 32176.

The couple are on the NSW Electoral Roll from 1930 in NSW.
I can type up these addresses etc if of interest to you.

Sue

PS. The photo is gorgeous!
He is wearing an Australian uniform

Cheers,  JM
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