margaret tattersall

[Rowdy Jnr]

Please could you fill me in on the Lesister Savage line as this has been a difficult one.

I have Margaret Patience and James as having 6 Children and married June Qtr 1871 Bradford.

I have George Savage as the father but no mother and 3 siblings for James

Do you have additional info?

[Ernie Savage]

WoW!
Most of what i have seen is correct and I can certainly fill you in about the descendants of James Lesiter.
I am a bit pushed for time at the moment so i will give you my bit:
    His third son, Frederick Charles (Fred, my grandfather) married Sarah Jane Stringer at Listerhills Cong. Chapel 3/8/1901 He died in 1923, Sarah in 1951
    They had two sons, both now dead. Charles Lesiter (b28/3/1904)who married, but had no children and my father, Herbert Kenneth (b 31/5/1914). I am Ernest Frederick Aldred Savage (b 5/4/1941), and am his only child and have two sons, Nicholas Henry (b 22/8/1972) and Peter James (b 8/2/1978)
    Fred and his brothers seem to have divided the business (pharmacy and wine merchants) between them. It must have been managed intitially by James' widow, Margaret Patience, after his untimely death in 1893 as the children were all young. After Margaret Patience's death in 1918, ther brothers seem to have gone their separate ways
   The ony other one of the brothers who had children was James William Savage(Will) who married Florencce Pollard 6/8/1900. I am in touch with one of his grandchildren; there are many descendants.
   Harold Savage married twice - Clara Harrison 30/03/1907 They divorced Then he married Catherine Ellwood (Kitty)26/5/1927 he died in 1949
   George Smith Savage married Margaret Adelaide Haigh-Lumby 22/10/1912. he died in 1933
   Neither of the daughter married, Emily died in 1935, Eleanor in 1941.
  On the matter of Emily LEE, I am going to trace the descendants of Levi - it seems  most likely that she will be therefrom.
Thanks
E

[Rowdy Jnr]

Levi's children are

Joseph E 1877 Bradford
Ernest W 1880 Bradford
Jane A 1882 Bradford
John C Lee 1890 Bradford

There  is also Bertie David Smith 1867 Elslack who could be Elizabeth's illegitimate son.

I think on later census records he is down as Lee.

Marriage to Elizabeth Dec Qtr 1874 Bradford

[Rowdy Jnr]

I have the info on Squire Pollard and his wife Mary Beetham

They had 6 children Florence being one of them. (knew about her marriage)

I have Helen Pollard married to a Herbert Raw but no other marriages found to date

[Ernie Savage]

     In the 1871 census @ Hill End farm Great Horton. are two households listed; the second is that of Francis SMITH, described as "Farmer"; the other household is headed by Matthew ......[illeg] who is described as "Farmer occupying 8 acres, a small farm even by 19th century standards. I suspect that he and Francis were primarily butchers. Francis gives his place of birth as norton, Ann is recorded Coniston (ie Coniston Cold - I assumed it was the one in Wharfedale and wasted a lot of time trying to trace her there)
     Francis returned to Elslack and is buried there. His tombstone, which also commemorates Ann, his wife, who died in Great Horton is in All Saints' chuchyard, Broughton-with-Elslack. Many other tombstones there are of interest.
     In 1871 the census indicated that Bertie David is the son of Jane. His is the last entry for the household; the next to last is Jane and under Bertie's entry as `grandson` [i.e. of Francis] is `son of above`. A birth certificate will give the answer of course. Even if she is jane's daughter he could have been adopted by Elizabeth after her marriage.
     Elsewhere you state that Jane Lee, born in 1882, and the daughter of Elizabeth [nee Smith] and Levi,  obviously not this Jane, is `Jane A` Do you know what the `A` stands for. I am searching for Annie Lee and Emily Lee. The latter referred to the former as `Auntie`. I know she was born in 1908, was probably illegitimate and so may have changed her name; there is no appropriate Emily Lee born in that year.

[Ernie Savage]

     James is the youngest child and second son of George Savage, chemist originally from Mansfield, who moved to Bradford in 1871 and bought a business there which he expanded successfully until his early death at the age of 44 in 1893
     George is of a long line of middle bourgeoisie in Nottinghamshire, but he married a Yorkshire girl, Mary Ann Sanderson, whose father, James was a tailor in Richmond. Mary Ann died in giving birth to James lesiter (This name came from aconnection by marriage, Joseph Lesiter, a wealthy farmer, who MAY have set James up in business.) Geroge then remarried, Jane Woodcock, the daughter of a solictor in Stafford

[Rowdy Jnr]

Sorry don't know what the A stands for.

I have been to Elslack also to the church where there are a cluster of graves together all related. Aldersley being some of them I took digital photo's of them and have them on my computer.

[Rowdy Jnr]

Ernie there where two Thomas Smiths descendants of Francis, I found this out when I went to the graveyard at Broughton.

Thomas Smith born 1843 died 1846 buried at Broughton
The Second Thomas Smith is our line:
Thomas Smith 1851 born Elslack died before 1919 but after 1901 I have his marriage cert and his sons William Francis. He was deceased at the time of his sons marriage in 1919.

William Francis and Daisy Walmsley had one child Living Robinson (nee Smith)

Artemis 1 who's name I will not disclose (without her permission) is a descendant of David Smith son of Francis. You will no doubt gather this from the rest of the thread.

[Sfance]

Rowdy - any chance you could send those pics of the Aldersley graves in the Elslack churchwyard my way? My e-mail is: sfance@rit.edu.

Thanks,

Stephen A.