Tring, Berkhamsted - NUTKINS - COMPLETED :D

[trish1120]

Welcome to Rootchat Windsorbrat.

Your date of birth is incorrect

Victoria Beatrice NUTKINS
Birth 4 Jun 1897, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada
Parents John NUTKINS and Elizabeth Margaret BAYLEY

1901 Canada Census
John Nutkins 50
Elizabeth Nutkins 46
Hannah Nutkins 22
John Nutkins 18
Earnest Nutkins 15
S Albert Nutkins 10
Margarette Nutkins 8
Victoria Nutkins 3*****
Gertrute Nutkins 1

1871 Census John Nutkins is living in the Bayley Household in London, Ontario

1881 Census John/Elizabeth are married with 4 children.

If you look through the info provided earlier John was the illeg Son of HANNAH Nutkins

GRO now has Mothers maiden names listed by Johns doesnt have one so illegitimate;

NUTKINS, JOHN       -  no Mothers maiden name***
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in BERKHAMSTEAD  Volume 06  Page 481

Trish

[trish1120]

I would not take the French connection seriously as the name Nutkin/Nutkins/Nuttkin/Nudkin etc goes back a long way in Hertfordshire.

The Revolution was from 5 May 1789 – 9 Nov 1799

From Census Johns Grandfather was born 1785 Tring, Herts so before this date.
He was a Agricultural Labourer so far from Aristocracy.

Death Reg for Johns Mother;
NUTKINS, HANNAH age 32***** 
GRO Reference: 1856  D Quarter in BERKHAMSTEAD  Volume 03A  Page 191

1861 Census John is under BUTKINS age 10, Nephew of William/Elizabeth YOUNG

Elizabeth was nee NUTKINS and Hannahs Sister and and another Daughter of JAMES/ANN Nutkins

1841 Census
Tring, Herts
James Nutkins   60
Ann Nutkins   55
Betsy Nutkins   15****
Elizabeth Nutkins
Fanny Nutkins   1

[Windsorbrat]

Thank you for info, but wondering what GRO means. The person I am looking into tree gave me the date of Victoria's s b d so I think will keep date as it is what another's research said, just 1 month difference and I am related to her!

[Windsorbrat]

I have charles JOHN Nutkin and Hanna Mow, then back up to James Nutkin & Mary Ann Mow and children. Who is John Nutkin's father.?  Was it James Nutkin and wife Mary_______? I am working on a Tablot at a cabin without benefit of Pac and printer.         Typo on my part about year, I have 1897.                                                                                         

[trish1120]

GRO is General Register Office

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

There is not just 1 mths difference in Victorias dob, you have;
Victoria  Beatrice  Nutkin  April 4 1879**
Its 1897!


The reason people have Hannah as Hannah Mow is she is with a Mow Family in 1841 Census;

1841 Census
Tring
John Mow   40 Shoemaker
Hannah Mow 15
Thomas Mow 14
John Mow   10
Hannah Nutkins   14****

She is likely just a Servant in the household

[trish1120]

I have to sign out now as its late here in Australia, good night.

Trish

[Annette7]

trish1120 - Victoria Beatrice Nutkins was indeed born 4th April 1897 London, Ontario - ancestry have transcribed it as 4th June but if you look at the original birth certificate it has April as the birth month, not June!

Windsorbrat - if your lady is the one who married a Russell Grayson Parker 21/2/1920 Middlesex, Ontario then the above is definitely her.   Her death is shown as 1987 Union, Elgin County, Ontario.

Annette

[Windsorbrat]

This is the lady that I am researching and I find family stories  interesting and maybe not true. This one might be a challenge to find fluidity and to find a connection to French Revolution. Dates not making sense.

[Annette7]

Just for clarification - John Nutkins b.1850 Tring was the illegitimate son of Hannah Nutkins.

Hannah Nutkins was bc.1826 Tring, dau. of James Nutkins and Ann Cock/Cork (married 2/1/1803 Tring).

James Nutkins b.25/5/1781, not baptised until 7/12/1797 St.Leonards, Tring, son of James and Mary.

There are one or two trees on Ancestry with wrong information.

Annette