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George Alderson b 1781 in Sedbergh or Dent, Yorkshire
« on: Friday 29 May 15 04:14 BST (UK) »
My G-G-Gmother, Mary Pearsall nee Alderson states on her 4th October 1840 Marriage Certificate that her father was George Alderson, Weaver. 1841 Census shows Mary as being born in Dent, Yorkshire 1814. Ancestry.com research has yielded her Birth with father George, mother Betty (Elizabeth).
Looking for George's Birth shows 21 October 1781 in Dent with father John Alderson and mother Ann. More research on Ancestry, many Family Trees have George (born 21/10/1781) and Elizabeth (Noddal) with Mary and her numerous siblings and show George's parents as Edmund and Mary (Craggs). As George's first-born son was named Edmund and first daughter named Mary, I lean toward the Edmund/Mary parents because of the naming of his children - can anyone over there shed any light on which of these two listings for George's 1781 birth is correct?
Cheers from Downunder
Mick C

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Re: George Alderson b 1781 in Sedbergh or Dent, Yorkshire
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 May 15 08:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike C from Down Under

This is Karen from down under.

It is very difficult to establish parentage from this time. I have a Henry Winterbottom (Clothier), who was born in Saddleworth c1794 according to census. His first two children were called Robert and Mary. Consequently, a number of people on Ancestry gave him the parents Robert Winterbottom (Clothier) from Strines in Saddleworth & Mary Bottomley.

It seemed to fit well. But it is wrong. The Henry, son of Robert Winterbottom and Mary Bottomley died in Strines 1845 and left a will. So It couldn't be my Henry as he died in 1868 in Huddersfield.

I collected every bit of information about Henry that I could. But I must say I was lucky as he had electoral records at Wool Road. He didn't live at Wool Road, he was leasing the property. So I searched the lessee's name. He was a clothier. 

His son, Robert, lived in Huddersfield. On the 1861 a Sarah Hewkin, born in Saddleworth, was living with Robert. She was entered as a cousin. So I searched for all possible births for her than looked at all the possible marriages from those births.

I found a possible mother - Sarah Winterbottom enter as from Wool Road on her marriage register.

I then looked for other Winterbottoms at Wool Road and found 6. Their father's name was Robert (Clothier) and their mother's name was Hannah and they died at Wool Road. So I was able to track down a will for Robert Winterbottom (clothier) of Wool Road.

Their was Henry, Robert's eldest son.

Sorry if this is long winded, but it was the only way to demonstrate how it is done.

Look for all the possibles then go about the process of proving that they are not the right ones. Like I did with the Henry from Strines.  Make lists, add the dates, names, places and occupations, until you find connections.

Look at witnesses on marriage registers as they can be relatives, often a sister's husband.

Find records for everyone on census records who are entered as a visitors. They can often be relatives. Look backwards and forwards through the census documents and baptism documents because you might find relatives living close by and births for other family member that are not indexed by Ancestry.

Google the name and you may find your person on somebodies online tree. I did this and I found a book. You also need old maps that show places that no longer exist. It is surprising how much people moved around in those days. Learn about the area they lived in.

Don't trust a record if it is only the transcription. I order films from LDS and find lots of mistakes made by Ancestry.com and find entries for my family that aren't indexed by them.

It takes a long time and organization to do this and in the end you may never be able to establish, with confidence, who that person's parents are.

I have many people on my tree whose lines end about 1800 and that's okay.

Last bit of advice, beware of using information from other people's trees. Don't trust that little waving leaf. It can lead to rubbish.

I still don't have a birth for Henry. Many records from this time are lost so we have that to contend with also.

Good Luck
Karen





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Re: George Alderson b 1781 in Sedbergh or Dent, Yorkshire
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 May 15 12:09 BST (UK) »
Hello Karen
Thanks so much for your reply re George Alderson. Yes, it is extremely difficult to find some of our forebears at times (MOST times). As I live 75klms from Newcastle (NSW) and any Family History Groups, I rely heavily on Ancestry and Familysearch for my research. I do not take any thing I find on these sites as being 100%, rather I use them as a means of possibly finding potential ancestors. Re the Family Trees that some people have put on these sites - usually there is one only and then a whole lot of other people grasping for straws see the name they are looking for and then copy the first tree onto their own.  How often do you see a person died in say 1850 and then get married in 1855, have a heap of children after this date and appear in the Censuses ever-after.
The naming conventions used by the ancestors is invaluable in tracing family lines as is the use of the mother's maiden name - but, one still has to confirm each person before they can be included in one's Tree.
Rootschat has provided me with numerous leads from very helpful contributors and enabled me to get around a number of dead-ends and so I have posted my query about George Alderson in the hope this help will be once again be forthcoming.
Thanks again Karen
Mickc

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Re: George Alderson b 1781 in Sedbergh or Dent, Yorkshire
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 May 15 22:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Mke

You are right. This website  is the best source of information I have.

Cheers
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Re: George Alderson b 1781 in Sedbergh or Dent, Yorkshire
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 January 16 17:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mick C

My mum had an Alderson family tree (done by one of her relatives) that includes George Alderson (Oct. 21, 1781) and his wife Elizabeth Noddle. George is a brother of my ancestor, Joseph Alderson. Joseph migrated to Canada in 1819. According to this family tree, Edmund Alderson and Mary Craggs are their parents.

I believe the fellow who worked on this tree used several sources, but one included in my documentation is the Alderson Family History Society. (I don't know anything about this group except what appears online.) Maybe a place to look?

Jan

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Re: George Alderson b 1781 in Sedbergh or Dent, Yorkshire
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 January 16 03:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello Jan, thanks for your post re George Alderson. I have had a look at the Alderson's American/Canadian family trees as a result of their coming up in response to Google searches. I found these very informative. I contacted a lady in Dent, Yorkshire who most graciously sent me some photos of the headstone of George junior (my G-G-grandmothers brother) who died in 1893 and is buried in Dent, Sedbergh, but no information on his father who is supposed to have died in 1832 and to have been buried in the same cemetery. Ah well, one day. Once again, many thanks.
Mick C