Jack James STEEL

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Yes, from the snippet of information I have Annie arrived in Sydney and 1925/1926 met and commenced living with a Jack James in Sydney. Their daughter was born 1926 (as she was 17 in 1943 when she married.

No, to two husbands as, I still have no information to even one husband. The husband John Richmond is a new one on me.

1928/1929 - Annie and de-facto husband, Jack, separated.

1929/1930 - Jack James, Annie's ex de-facto husband, died. The source for this info was my Aunty  (deceased) Annie's sister.

Yes, I can access Ancestry from my library. Might be worth a visit.

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[cando]

Reply#51  Just to refresh your memory 

TITTERINGTON Miss A  28 years  Linen keeper, embarked on the ORAMA from London on 27 Mar 1925.  Contracted to land in Sydney.  Last address in the UK  48 Lord Street Southport  Country of last permanent residence England.  Country of intended permanent residence Australia.

I cannot find a marriage to a John RICHMOND between 1925 and 1927.  Perhaps they weren’t married and legally she was a spinster at the 1933 marriage.

Cando

Cheers 
Cando

[majm]

Yes, from the snippet of information I have Annie arrived in Sydney and 1925/1926 met and commenced living with a Jack James in Sydney. Their daughter was born 1926 (as she was 17 in 1943 when she married.

No, to two husbands as, I still have no information to even one husband. The husband John Richmond is a new one on me.

1928/1929 - Annie and de-facto husband, Jack, separated.

1929/1930 - Jack James, Annie's ex de-facto husband, died. The source for this info was my Aunty  (deceased) Annie's sister.

Yes, I can access Ancestry from my library. Might be worth a visit.

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So from the 1930 Electoral Rolls uploaded at Ancestry (Wentworth, polling at Bondi Nth) you already know that Meta Sophia JACKSON, home duties,  was enrolled to vote in respect of  39 Matilda Street BONDI, and that Charles Robert JACKSON, motor engineer, was also enrolled to vote in respect of 39 Matilda St BONDI, and that Annie TITTERINGTON, home duties was enrolled to vote in respect of 39 Matilda Street BONDI.   

There were elections in NSW  25 Oct 1930, but earlier than that there were Federal elections 28 July 1930.   I am suggesting that as Meta’s, Charles’ and Annie’s electoral roll listings are NOT on a supplementary list, that they had been residing at that Matilda St address for quite some time prior to the calling of the July elections.  There had been elections in NSW in October 1927.  The 1927 rolls should be at the NSW State Library in Sydney.   There were federal elections in all seats of the House of Reps in October 1929.  NSW State Library would likely have those rolls too.  I do not live in Sydney, and I do not have copy of the 1927 or the 1929 rolls....   It was compulsory for all British Subjects aged 21 years and over and living in NSW to enrol to vote. 


Charles and Annie married 25 February 1933. 

Charles received his Decree Absolute Sept 1931 from Kathleen Alice Jackson.   http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16800304  17 Sept 1931

Charles had custody of his daughter http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16755210  18 Feb 1931.

Annie quit her marriage (possibly an informal one) with John RICHMOND in Oct 1927, so she should be at the Redfern Street, Redfern address on that 1927 roll.

Doesn't actually leave a lot of time for Jack STEEL at Redfern, particularly when, apart from your Aunty's info to you,  there's only the 1943 marriage cert mention for him. 

The 'common' factor is in the given names for Annie's partners...

Jack JAMES,  Jack James STEEL, Jack STEEL and John RICHMOND....  I wonder if they are one and the same person perhaps ?

Jack and John are interchangeable.      

Cheers,  JM 


 

[majm]

Jack Steel was noted as deceased 1929/1930, (as per OP) so who was the Jack STEEL whose pushbike was nicked between 2 and 4 pm on 26th October 1930 from the Esplanade, Brighton le Sands....  The bike was the property of Jack STEEL, residing at 12 Robert Street Marrickville.  It was a dark blue, fixedwheel bicycle, No. C3371.  It was valued at £8, and was Identifiable, as per NSW Police Gazette 12 Nov 1930.

Trying to find Jack James STEEL death details. All I know is he died 1929/30. 

He was the de-facto husband to Annie. They had a daughter around 1926. I believe in 1927, they were living in Redfern.

I have all the relevent information after 1930

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Cheers,  JM

[cupcake]

Yes, from the snippet of information I have Annie arrived in Sydney and 1925/1926 met and commenced living with a Jack James in Sydney. Their daughter was born 1926 (as she was 17 in 1943 when she married.

No, to two husbands as, I still have no information to even one husband. The husband John Richmond is a new one on me.

1928/1929 - Annie and de-facto husband, Jack, separated.

1929/1930 - Jack James, Annie's ex de-facto husband, died. The source for this info was my Aunty  (deceased) Annie's sister.

Yes, I can access Ancestry from my library. Might be worth a visit.

cupcake

So from the 1930 Electoral Rolls uploaded at Ancestry (Wentworth, polling at Bondi Nth) you already know that Meta Sophia JACKSON, home duties,  was enrolled to vote in respect of  39 Matilda Street BONDI, and that Charles Robert JACKSON, motor engineer, was also enrolled to vote in respect of 39 Matilda St BONDI, and that Annie TITTERINGTON, home duties was enrolled to vote in respect of 39 Matilda Street BONDI.   

There were elections in NSW  25 Oct 1930, but earlier than that there were Federal elections 28 July 1930.   I am suggesting that as Meta’s, Charles’ and Annie’s electoral roll listings are NOT on a supplementary list, that they had been residing at that Matilda St address for quite some time prior to the calling of the July elections.  There had been elections in NSW in October 1927.  The 1927 rolls should be at the NSW State Library in Sydney.   There were federal elections in all seats of the House of Reps in October 1929.  NSW State Library would likely have those rolls too.  I do not live in Sydney, and I do not have copy of the 1927 or the 1929 rolls....   It was compulsory for all British Subjects aged 21 years and over and living in NSW to enrol to vote. 


Charles and Annie married 25 February 1933. 

Charles received his Decree Absolute Sept 1931 from Kathleen Alice Jackson.   http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16800304  17 Sept 1931

Charles had custody of his daughter http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16755210  18 Feb 1931.

Annie quit her marriage (possibly an informal one) with John RICHMOND in Oct 1927, so she should be at the Redfern Street, Redfern address on that 1927 roll.

Doesn't actually leave a lot of time for Jack STEEL at Redfern, particularly when, apart from your Aunty's info to you,  there's only the 1943 marriage cert mention for him. 

The 'common' factor is in the given names for Annie's partners...

Jack JAMES,  Jack James STEEL, Jack STEEL and John RICHMOND....  I wonder if they are one and the same person perhaps ?

Jack and John are interchangeable.      

Cheers,  JM

Many thanks for the information.

As I said, late July 1927 Annie's mother brother and sister arrived in Sydney and stayed in a boarding house in Redfern Road, Redfern, opposite park. Already living there was Annie de-facto husband J J STEEL and Jacqueline about a year old. So, when Annie, went missing ,there were perhaps family there to look after baby.

About six months later Annie's mother brother and sister, moved to 51 Castlereagh Street, Redfern. Annie and her family stayed on in the boarding house.

 I visited the library and got access to Ancestry. I found no John RICHMOND marriage  or, a Jack
James STEEL marriage. I too wonder, if they are one and the same person perhaps ?  Perhaps a mystery we'll never solve.

However, I did see the photograph Cando mentioned of Annie on Ancestry. Hard to put an age on it, though, perhaps mid twenties. It is a side on photograph and, she has bobbed hair as mentioned in the missing person NSW POLICE GAZETTE - 23 November, 1927: Annie would have been 31 years in 1927 and not 28 years. Perhaps they guessed her age.
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[cupcake]

Have emailed Ask a Librarian at State Library of New South Wales regarding the 1927/1929 rolls.

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[majm]

Many thanks for the information.

As I said, late July 1927 Annie's mother brother and sister arrived in Sydney and stayed in a boarding house in Redfern Road, Redfern, opposite park. Already living there was Annie de-facto husband J J STEEL and Jacqueline about a year old. So, when Annie, went missing ,there were perhaps family there to look after baby.

About six months later Annie's mother brother and sister, moved to 51 Castlereagh Street, Redfern. Annie and her family stayed on in the boarding house.

 I visited the library and got access to Ancestry. I found no John RICHMOND marriage  or, a Jack
James STEEL marriage. I too wonder, if they are one and the same person perhaps ?  Perhaps a mystery we'll never solve.

However, I did see the photograph Cando mentioned of Annie on Ancestry. Hard to put an age on it, though, perhaps mid twenties. It is a side on photograph and, she has bobbed hair as mentioned in the missing person NSW POLICE GAZETTE - 23 November, 1927: Annie would have been 31 years in 1927 and not 28 years. Perhaps they guessed her age.
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Cupcake,

There are some conflicting pieces of information. 

From Trove I notice that “70 Redfern Street REDFERN” was a boarding house.
From Google maps street view (Oct 2014)  I notice that 70 Redfern Street REDFERN is the same building as in 1927 and it continues to be opposite a park, Redfern Park. 

1927 late July So, you have Annie with Jack James STEEL and Jacqueline and Annie’s mum, and Annie’s siblings in the boarding house. 

1927 early October (so only possibly nine or ten weeks later) we find that Annie disappears, and stays away, at least until late November. Annie’s disappearance is reported by her husband John RICHMOND, who has moved from 70 Redfern St Redfern to the nearby suburb of Darlinghurst.

1928 January or thereabouts, (ie six months later than late July 1927) You have that Annie’s mother brother and sister move to Castlereagh St Redfern, but despite Annie not being at the boarding house for October and November 1927, and despite Annie’s husband moving to a different suburb, you are stating that you  know that Annie and her family stayed on in the boarding house.   So, was that Annie and Jacqueline who stayed at the boarding house by themselves?  Obviously either John Richmond was either Jacqueline's dad or he was Annie's next partner, and at some time later, but before mid 1930, Annie was living with Meta and Charles, before marrying Charles when Jacqueline was likely about seven years of age.   I am still surprised that Jacqueline did not become known by the surname of Jackson.   

I am duplicating some links, but by placing them here together I am hoping to assist our OP, so that she does not need to attend her local library to look up Ancestry.  NSW BDM indexes are online free to search and regularly updated,  Sands Sydney Directories are online free to search, you don't need an Ancestry sub to go to these websites:
Trove : http://trove.nla.gov.au/
Google maps: https://www.google.com.au/maps
NSW BDM : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
Sands Directories:  http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory
NSW State Records http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/collection-search

JM

[majm]

From NSW BDM http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/

John J STEELE died 1929 Sydney,  father Seth H, mother Charlotte A   reg 5773/1929

Also
John STEEL died 1928 North Sydney, father John, mother Bridget reg 12888/1928
John STEELE died 1928 Parramatta,  father Daniel H , mother Elizabeth S reg 16509/1928

regards
   Ros

adding : funeral notice for John Joseph STEEL, late of Redfern who died in 1928
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16483402

The funeral notice matches up by date to the death registered in the North Sydney district.  (31 July 1928 for death)....   

Perhaps you need to consider obtaining an official transcription of that dc, to check if there's any mention of a wife and/or a child.... or at least an occupation, or his usual residence/address at Redfern.....

Cheers,  JM

[cupcake]

Thank you for the addresses.

Yes, from the little information I have, I am stating that  Annie, Jack James and daughter Jacqueline ( about a 1 year old) stayed on in the boarding house. As I said before, the source of info came from Annie's sister (deceased).

For whatever reason, Jacqueline kept the surname STEEL. Apparently, Annie and her de-facto husband Jack, separated 1928/29. So I doubt whether Jacqueline would have remembered her father.

Fingers crossed the State Library of New South Wales can help with 1927/1929 rolls.

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