Jack James STEEL

[majm]

obviously, Jacqueline's birth cert must be down as STEEL.

Hi Cupcake,

I am absolutely certain that it is NOT obvious that Jacqueline's birth certificate must be down as STEEL, particularly if her birth was registered in New South Wales.    You see,  I am born in NSW, so too all my siblings, and all my first cousins, both my parents, all four of my grandparents (and their siblings), all eight of my great grandparents (and their siblings),  and I assure you that simply because we were born prior to the 1960s, none of our birth registrations include a surname.  Simply put, it was not a requirement.   

The baby became known by the mother's surname.  That's how the system worked until about 1969.   So if mum was using same surname as baby's dad, then baby becomes known by dad's surname only because that was the THEN surname mum was THEN using...   It was not compulsory to produce proof of identity such as birth certificates, when seeking to marry.   A Baptismal certificate was often sufficient proof, particularly if marrying within your own denomination.

So the baby took on mum's surname, and if mum changed her surname at some stage after birth of baby (by usage, or adopting the surname of her husband on marriage,) then baby would become known by mum's new surname.   

So just as Charles Robert JACKSON's birth seems to be indexed under BOYD, so too it may well be that Jacqueline's may be indexed under STEEL, but Cupcake, it is also quite possible that Jacqueline's birth (if registered in NSW) MAY BE indexed under what ever surname HER MUM was using at the time of Jacqueline's birth.   So it could well be Titterington, as that's the name Jacqueline's mum was using as per the Electoral Roll. 

So I am still wondering about how Jacqueline came to be, at 17 years of age, using the surname STEEL, if as you say, you have nothing to show her mum had ever used that surname herself.
 

Cheers,  JM 

[cupcake]

obviously, Jacqueline's birth cert must be down as STEEL.

Hi Cupcake,

I am absolutely certain that it is NOT obvious that Jacqueline's birth certificate must be down as STEEL, particularly if her birth was registered in New South Wales.    You see,  I am born in NSW, so too all my siblings, and all my first cousins, both my parents, all four of my grandparents (and their siblings), all eight of my great grandparents (and their siblings),  and I assure you that simply because we were born prior to the 1960s, none of our birth registrations include a surname.  Simply put, it was not a requirement.   

The baby became known by the mother's surname.  That's how the system worked until about 1969.   So if mum was using same surname as baby's dad, then baby becomes known by dad's surname only because that was the THEN surname mum was THEN using...   It was not compulsory to produce proof of identity such as birth certificates, when seeking to marry.   A Baptismal certificate was often sufficient proof, particularly if marrying within your own denomination.

So the baby took on mum's surname, and if mum changed her surname at some stage after birth of baby (by usage, or adopting the surname of her husband on marriage,) then baby would become known by mum's new surname.   

So just as Charles Robert JACKSON's birth seems to be indexed under BOYD, so too it may well be that Jacqueline's may be indexed under STEEL, but Cupcake, it is also quite possible that Jacqueline's birth (if registered in NSW) MAY BE indexed under what ever surname HER MUM was using at the time of Jacqueline's birth.   So it could well be Titterington, as that's the name Jacqueline's mum was using as per the Electoral Roll. 

So I am still wondering about how Jacqueline came to be, at 17 years of age, using the surname STEEL, if as you say, you have nothing to show her mum had ever used that surname herself.
 

Cheers,  JM

Thank you so much for explaining things so clearly.

I can't answer as to why Jacqueline came to be, at 17 years of age, using the surname STEEL. From the little snippet of information, Jacqueline b. 1926  would hardly of known her father.

1928-29
Annie and her de-facto husband, Jack, separated.
1929-30
Jack James, Annie's ex de-facto husband, died

Doubt I'll see Jacqueline's birth cert.

cupcake

[cupcake]

TITTERINGTON Miss A  28 years  Linen keeper, embarked on the ORAMA from London on 27 Mar 1925.  Contracted to land in Sydney.  Last address in the UK  48 Lord Street Southport  Country of last permanent residence England.  Country of intended permanent residence Australia.

I cannot find a marriage to a John RICHMOND between 1925 and 1927.  Perhaps they weren’t married and legally she was a spinster at the 1933 marriage.

There is an online tree  on Ancestry with a photo of Annie and her dau.   Is it your tree cupcake?

Cando

Annie wasn't long after leaving London, March 1925 and having a daughter in 1926 (no date though).

cupcake

[sparrett]

Doubt I'll see Jacqueline's birth cert.

cupcake

Well, cupcake, that may possibly be the case, but let's not forget there was nothing to prevent Annie from completing that registration with whatever information she wished, truth or untruth.
No call existed for verification or standards for checking the information given for the registration.

Sue
 

[cupcake]

  I see Annie Titterington's daughter was born in Coogee, NSW.  I wonder if she lived in Coogee prior to Redfern or, just gave birth there.

cupcake

[cupcake]

Doubt I'll see Jacqueline's birth cert.

cupcake

Well, cupcake, that may possibly be the case, but let's not forget there was nothing to prevent Annie from completing that registration with whatever information she wished, truth or untruth.
No call existed for verification or standards for checking the information given for the registration.

Sue
 

If I am correct, it will be at least 2026 before I would be able to look for the birth certificate. Fingers crossed, I am still above ground then.

cupcake

[majm]

  I see Annie Titterington's daughter was born in Coogee, NSW.  I wonder if she lived in Coogee prior to Redfern or, just gave birth there.

cupcake

Cupcake,   I suspect you may be attempting to clutch at straws that may well not be there. 

Jacqueline STEEL's marriage cert shows that she believed she was born in Coogee.   

I have already mentioned that she would not have needed to produce her birth certificate to the priest when she was marrying, it could well be that Coogee was simply where SHE thought she was born.   I am quite sure she did not remember her own birth.   Her mother was NOT required to validate the information that Jacqueline provided.  More than likely Mrs Jackson was not consulted about that detail.    Mrs Jackson's role was simply to give (or decline to give) consent to the marriage, and this was simply because Jacqueline was not yet old enough to give consent herself.

Of course,  both Coogee and Redfern are suburbs of Sydney, and are still only about 3 miles apart.

So, in the 1940s, a 17 year old lass was marrying a 31 year old chap.   He was a cafe proprietor.   They were married in  Coffs Harbour, around 350 miles north of Sydney.   I doubt the Roman Catholic priest would have been fretting over whether Jacqueline was born Coogee or Redfern.   Perhaps Coogee was simply a more fashionable suburb back in that era.   I notice they were not marrying in Jacqueline's local church.

May I add that :

There’s no mention of Jacqueline in the police notice about Annie, missing since 1 Oct 1927 from her home 70 Redfern Street Redfern, as per the NSW Police Gazette 23 November 1927.    So I wonder who was caring for the infant Jacqueline?   

Cheers,  JM

[cupcake]

Perhaps I am attempting to clutch at straws that may well not be there.

Yes, I had realised Jacqueline didn't marry in her local church - for whatever reason- she may even have converted to Catholic.

Regarding  who was caring for the infant Jacqueline?

Late July 1927 after a 6 week voyage Annie's mother,  brother and sister stayed in a boarding house in Redfern Road, Redfern. Already living in the Boarding house was Annie, de-facto husband Jack and daughter Jacqueline, who was about a year old.
So, possibily, Annie's mother or Jack looked after her.

Was there a follow up to this missing person,  turning up

cupcake

[majm]

Perhaps I am attempting to clutch at straws that may well not be there.

Yes, I had realised Jacqueline didn't marry in her local church - for whatever reason- she may even have converted to Catholic.

Regarding  who was caring for the infant Jacqueline?

Late July 1927 after a 6 week voyage Annie's mother,  brother and sister stayed in a boarding house in Redfern Road, Redfern. Already living in the Boarding house was Annie, de-facto husband Jack and daughter Jacqueline, who was about a year old.
So, possibily, Annie's mother or Jack looked after her.

Was there a follow up to this missing person,  turning up

cupcake

Cupcake,   

The notice in the Police Gazette was based on information provided to the NSW Police from Annie's HUSBAND.  His name was recorded as John RICHMOND.  He was looking for his WIFE, Annie RICHMOND ('may assume the name Titterington or Moffett')  .   In the police notice there is NO mention of Jack STEEL or of Jacqueline  or of a de facto husband, or of Annie moving to her mother and siblings.

Cupcake, are you saying that Annie left England in 1925, arrived in NSW, and by October 1927 had had a) a child,  and b) two husbands?  (John Richmond and Jack James Steel) 

I understand from one of your other threads that you can get to a public library and access the commercial website, Ancestry.   

JM