Jack James STEEL

[majm]

Yes, as the bride was not yet 21 years of age, she was not yet old enough to give her own consent to her marriage.  Same would apply if the groom was not yet 21 years of age.   In the 1970s that section of the marriage Act was altered to 18 years of age.

"Written Consent" became mandatory from 1925, under the NSW Marriage Act of 1899 as amended.



Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there cupcake,

May I please ask you to transcribe for us the info from the NSW BDM marriage for that daughter born around 1926, particularly the info she provided about her parents and herself.    You see, I am having some difficulty joining the dots on this branch of your family tree. 

NSW BDM marriage certificates (including the cheaper full official transcriptions that well recognised by family history buffs) includes the following info provided by the bride at the time of the interview arranging for the marriage ceremony:   
  Her then full name, (the name she is using at the time, and so all her given names, any previous given names, her surname and any former surnames)
  Her then occupation
  Her then place of residence
  Her then conjugal status (spinster, widow, divorcee (partitioner), divorcee (respondent)
  Her place of birth, (sometimes as detailed as locality, district, shire, state/county, nation)
  Her age,
  Her father's full name, occupation, and if known to be deceased
  Her mother's full name, maiden name and any other surnames, and if known to be deceased

If the bride was not yet 21 years of age, then she was not yet old enough to give her own consent to marry, and thus needed a responsible adult to provide such consent.  If her father were deceased, then her mother would like be the person giving consent.  The name of the person giving consent and their relationship to the bride will be recorded on the registration.   

I am confident that our OP has verified that the bride, and the bride's parents are no longer living, as per the thread : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721568.msg5654324#msg5654324   ".....The information I have Jacqueline and Reg are also deceased....." (cupcake)


Cheers,  JM

Will do.

cupcake

Can't  find the thread where it said to pop back with Jacqueline and Reg BYRNES marriage in 1943 Coffs Harbour.

She was 17yrs and Reg was 31yrs when they married. Something I haven't come across before:

Consent - The consent of Annie Jackson was given in writing to the marriage of the Bride.

Well, it gives her father as John James STEEL (deceased) not Jack. His occupation was Building Contractor.

cupcake

Cheers,  JM

[cupcake]

Groom             Reginald Thomas BYRNES
 Occ                 Chemist
Usual Residence     Coffs Harbour
Status    Bachelor
Place of Birth      Coffs Harbour, NSW
Age         31
Father     Hubert Samuel BYRNES
Mother     Amelia Parish
Father's Occ.    Cafe proprietor

BRIDE    Jacqueline James Steel
Occupation    Domestic duties
Usual Residence    Bellinger
Status      Spinster
Place of Birth      Coogee, NSW 
Age      17 years
Father            John James Steel (deceased)
Father's Occupation      Building Contractor
Mother         Annie Titterington
Date of Marriage    10 November  1943
Place of Marriage     St Augustine's Catholic Church, Coffs Harbour, Dorrigo Shire
Religion            Roman Catholic Church
Consent       The consent of Annie Jackson was givenen writing to the marriage of the bride
Witnesses                     Cecil H Brynes and Silvie Byrnes
Celebrant           John H Gleeson

[~MERLIN~]

BRIDE    Jacqueline James Steel
Occupation    Domestic duties
Usual Residence    Bellinger
Status      Spinster
Place of Birth      Coogee, NSW 
Age      17 years
Father            John James Steel (deceased)
Father's Occupation      Building Contractor
Mother         Annie Titterington

AND the rest of the certificate says...

[majm]

Groom             Reginald Thomas BYRNES
 Occ                 Chemist
Usual Residence     Coffs Harbour
Status    Bachelor
Age         31
Father     Hubert Samuel BYRNES
Mother     Amelia Parish
Father's Occ.    Cafe proprietor

BRIDE    Jacqueline James Steel
Occupation    Domestic duties
Usual Residence    Bellinger
Status      Spinster
Place of Birth      Coogee, NSW 
Age      17 years
Father            John James Steel (deceased)
Father's Occupation      Building Contractor
Mother         Annie Titterington
Date of Marriage    10 November  1943
Place of Marriage     St Augustine's Catholic Church, Coffs Harbour, Dorrigo Shire
Religion            Roman Catholic Church
Consent       The consent of Annie Jackson was givenen writing to the marriage of the bride
Witnesses                     Cecil H Brynes and Silvie Byrnes
Celebrant           John H Gleeson

Thanks for adding the rest of the information.   Much appreciated.  I would have expected that Annie's surname would have been recorded as Jackson, formerly Steel, nee Titterington, and I would have expected to read the place of birth for the groom. 

Cheers,  JM

[cupcake]

  Thought Annie's surname would have been recorded as Jackson,  nee Titterington.
As far as I know, she was never known as STEEL.
Sorry, my mistake , missed out the grooms place of birth - Coffs Harbour.

cupcake

[~MERLIN~]

And now over here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=724697.0

Plus here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=724762.0

[majm]

  Thought Annie's surname would have been recorded as Jackson,  nee Titterington.
As far as I know, she was never known as STEEL.
Sorry, my mistake , missed out the grooms place of birth - Coffs Harbour.

cupcake

Cupcake, if Annie was not ever known as STEEL, then how and when did Jacqueline acquire the surname of STEEL and why was Jacqueline married with that as her maiden name...... surely Jacqueline would have become known as Jackson upon her mum's marriage to Charles, as was the usual way for NSW families in that era....  Yet, Jacqueline married as STEEL .....

I wonder if you could add further links to this current thread, (additional to Merlin's list) as there seems to be so many current ones now, particularly with information about both Meta Sophia Boyd and her son, Charles Robert BOYD who became known as Charles Robert JACKSON....    Afterall,  Meta was Annie's mother in law after Annie's marriage to Charles. 

Cheers,  JM

[cupcake]

  Thought Annie's surname would have been recorded as Jackson,  nee Titterington.
As far as I know, she was never known as STEEL.
Sorry, my mistake , missed out the grooms place of birth - Coffs Harbour.

cupcake

Cupcake, if Annie was not ever known as STEEL, then how and when did Jacqueline acquire the surname of STEEL and why was Jacqueline married with that as her maiden name...... surely Jacqueline would have become known as Jackson upon her mum's marriage to Charles, as was the usual way for NSW families in that era....  Yet, Jacqueline married as STEEL .....

I wonder if you could add further links to this current thread, (additional to Merlin's list) as there seems to be so many current ones now, particularly with information about both Meta Sophia Boyd and her son, Charles Robert BOYD who became known as Charles Robert JACKSON....    Afterall,  Meta was Annie's mother in law after Annie's marriage to Charles. 

Cheers,  JM

I am afraid I don't have the answer to this.

As far as I am aware, Annie never married Jack James and obviously, Jacqueline's birth cert must be down as STEEL. Tried to get her birth entry but couldn't- something to do with 100 yrs. She was born 1927 as she was 61 years old when she died in 1988. Can't get her death entry either - something about 30 year - 2018 possibly can.

cupcake