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Re: Any ideas please with my Jackson Family
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 May 15 22:18 BST (UK) »
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The 1871 census was taken on 2 April.  The June quarter registration 1871 found means death was likely to have occurred in April, May or June so quite possible that he was alive on 2 April 1871 to be recorded on the census but died after that in either April, May or June.

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That doesn't fit though with the birth of Bev's great grandfather in 1875, unless she lied on the birth certificate.
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 May 15 22:56 BST (UK) »
It is a mystery, I've searched bmd for deaths, and manchester council for burials that link, family search, FindMyPast for the workhouse records ( manchester gave them the rights I believe) I've searched all Lancashire, and searches on the individual areas within, and surrounding areas, other than he upped and left, he obviously died, but before or after Alfred's birth, I can't work out  :o  :P
BARLOW, BEARD, BRIDGWOOD. BROOMHEAD. BROTHERDALE, CLARKE, CRESSWELL. DIAMOND, DRAIN, GRAHAM, HALL, HEUCHAN, HOGDANE, HULL, JACKSON, KIRKPATRICK, LITTLE, McLELLAN, McTURK, MORRIS, NEEDS, OWEN, PARSONS, PRICE, PUGH, RATHBONE, ROBINSON, SCRUTON, SHAW, STAFFORD, TAYLOR, WATSON, WEIR, WILLIAMSON

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 May 15 23:24 BST (UK) »
The problem is that if a woman was married it was assumed her husband was the father of a child. So unless she actually said that she was a widow, that is the name that would go on the certificate. Probably better than the child being classed as illegitimate.

The only thing you can do is get the death certificate from the 1883 death and hope that Isabella registered it.
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« Reply #12 on: Friday 29 May 15 00:00 BST (UK) »

From a newspaper report I see that Richard's father (Richard) died of natural causes after discharging   himself from the workhouse in December 1893. There is a full report on the inquest.
Do you have a subscription to newspaper archives? If not I can let you know what the report says.


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« Reply #13 on: Friday 29 May 15 11:23 BST (UK) »

From a newspaper report I see that Richard's father (Richard) died of natural causes after discharging   himself from the workhouse in December 1893. There is a full report on the inquest.
Do you have a subscription to newspaper archives? If not I can let you know what the report says.

I have the tried the searches on FindMyPast newspapers etc, and thought I had Richard (Richd) in 1879 in the Withington Manchester workhouse, from the transcription, but after looking at the image itself the age is given (why it isnt on the transcription I don't know) and he is only 9 yrs!
The newspaper search doesn't give anything.

The other thin I have found (not sure if is it mine at the moment, is 1871 workhouse Richard jackson aged 49 years. Now the older Richard was with his wife and grandchildren in 1881...the younger with his wife and childre n in 1871... so I'm not sure this one is...at the moment

I have tried the newspaper archives - I don't have a subscription - but the searches don't seem to bring up anything (perhaps I'm not using the right search terms) just two for 1893 and one was a boy, the other a lady.
If you could let me know what the report says please, I would be grateful
Bev xx
BARLOW, BEARD, BRIDGWOOD. BROOMHEAD. BROTHERDALE, CLARKE, CRESSWELL. DIAMOND, DRAIN, GRAHAM, HALL, HEUCHAN, HOGDANE, HULL, JACKSON, KIRKPATRICK, LITTLE, McLELLAN, McTURK, MORRIS, NEEDS, OWEN, PARSONS, PRICE, PUGH, RATHBONE, ROBINSON, SCRUTON, SHAW, STAFFORD, TAYLOR, WATSON, WEIR, WILLIAMSON

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 31 May 15 07:15 BST (UK) »
Sorry for the delay, been away for a couple of days. I am sure this must be related to your family.

16 December 1893 Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser.

PATHETIC CASE.- n inquest was held by Mr S Smelt, Deputy Coroner, on Monday morning, on the body of Richard Jackson, aged 74 years, late of Poplar Street, Oldham Road. Jackson was a pipe maker by trade, and was admitted to the Crumpsall Workhouse Hospital suffering from bronchitis and a form of consumption. As he improved it was suggested by the medical officer that he should go into the infirm ward, there being great pressure  on accommodation in the hospital. Jackson would not go into the ward,  and after staying in the hospital until the second inst., took his discharge. The same evening he was found by a policeman leaning against a windowsill on Hendham Vale, near Queen's Park. He had to be taken home on a litter, and died on Saturday. It was stated by his widow who is 72 years of age, that she remonstrated with him about having left the workhouse, but he said he had come home to die.. All they had to live on since he returned home was tea and bread and butter supplied by the neighbours. Before her husband left her to go into the workhouse she had 2s and 6d a week from the parish, out of which she had to pay the rent of the room they occupied. This allowance was stopped when the deceased went into the workhouse. She was advised to accompany him, the relieving-officer being of  opinion that the room she occupied was not fit for habitation, but she did not like the idea of going into the workhouse. The verdict of the jury was that the death was due to natural causes, and it was remarked by the coroner that it was only natural the widow should object to going into the workhouse, where she would have been separated from her husband. In the case of old people like this couple, he thought the guardians might strain a point by allowing them to remain together if both became inmates.


Such a terribly sad report.

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« Reply #15 on: Sunday 31 May 15 10:01 BST (UK) »
Sorry for the delay, been away for a couple of days. I am sure this must be related to your family.

Thank you so much, not to worry, hope you had a nice break.

Yes Richard is my Gt Gt Gt Granddad. He had his wife Elizabeth had been together for 55 years (ish) no wonder he wanted to be with her at the end...

Such a terribly sad report.

Incredibly sad. and to add to that, I found the location of his grave, in the municiple cemetery. The council in a effort to save money have flattened all the stones from the pauper graves, or in this section have completely removed them - the only row of stones left are private graves. It was so sad walking over the stones trying to find the grave number, clearing away mud, grass leaves etc... I actually cried for all those poor people. In the middle of the section, one only little marker, to memorialise a cab driver who died in the workhouse, probably put there by a descendant who has only recently like myself discovered him... it reads "buried somewhere in this area"...
why can't the council let these poor people have some respect in death!

Thank you for your kind help...everyone who has responded. I still haven't found the death of his son, but have discovered he was born before his parents were married, and given his mothers maiden name!
BARLOW, BEARD, BRIDGWOOD. BROOMHEAD. BROTHERDALE, CLARKE, CRESSWELL. DIAMOND, DRAIN, GRAHAM, HALL, HEUCHAN, HOGDANE, HULL, JACKSON, KIRKPATRICK, LITTLE, McLELLAN, McTURK, MORRIS, NEEDS, OWEN, PARSONS, PRICE, PUGH, RATHBONE, ROBINSON, SCRUTON, SHAW, STAFFORD, TAYLOR, WATSON, WEIR, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Any ideas please with my Jackson Family
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 31 May 15 11:29 BST (UK) »
Like you, I too find it very upsetting when I hear of these things. It makes you wonder what will happen to us in the future!
I also think the 1871 death is definitely a strong possibility. I have had a look on FindMyPast at the Admission Records for Manchester but couldn't find any records for your family. I will keep looking.
Good luck!