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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 22:03 BST (UK) »
Been ages since I delved into Family History in a big way, mainly cos my dad died last year. Im having a little trouble getting everything into my head at the moment, but I am trying... believe me.

Ok Firstly its not unsual at all for a family to have kids baptised as Smith when they should be Brown, etc or even interchange as the fancy takes them over the years - the Mobbs/Grays did that, as did other Smith families. For Example:

For Francis & Unity I have (All surnames are Brown unless otherwise stated)
Francis  1850 Blyborough,
Alberdine 1854 Goxhill married 1) Hannah Rogers 1870 and possibly 2)Sarah Needham 1874 Wortley Yorks, as Alberdine Smith
Isabella b.1857 c.1858 Louth
Black Bird b.1859
Corder b.1860 Ulceby aka Cox Bird
Eancy b.1865
Frightful b.1866
Mary Ann Smith b.1867 D/O Francis & Unity Gypsy of Bonby Lin
Black Sandy b.1868
Emily Smith b.1868 Winteringham Lin d/o Francis & Henrietta Gypsy.
Nipper Harriet aka Runtwed b.1871 Attercliffe

As you can see some of the names given on census (Black Bird Cox Bird Eancy Frightful BLack Sandy and Runtwed) are quite likely to correspond with the baptisms found.





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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 22:10 BST (UK) »
William & Unity:
Ann 1841 Winteringham
Joseph 1837 Timberland had a son Frederick by 1861 who married Selina West 1899 Winteringham
Sarah 1843 Tealby
Eliza 1845 Watton
William 1847 Grasby m. Sophia & had John Agnes & Clare
Aaron 1851 Wilksby
Martha 1853 Skendleby
Julia 1859 Alford

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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 22:28 BST (UK) »
Newspaper Extracts:
25.6.1852 Lincolnshire Chronicle
Francis Brown, a gypsy broomseller, was charged by Sgt Lampton for being drunk and creating  a disturbance on Saturday evening in Upgate, together with a number of their fraternity, men and women, who were driven out of the town by the Police; but the prisoner, being refractory, and continuing the disturbance, was taken into custody. Fined 1s and costs, or 14 days.

26.1.1866 Lincolnshire Chronicle
Francis Brown, and Francis Brown Jnr, and family mentioned as living in two cottages in Ulceby, belonging to Sarah Alcock who was in court because these two cottages were unfit for human habitation (it was her responsibility). Article quite long and not much mention made of the pair, but it does estabish that Francis Brown and Francis Brown were father and son.


12 March 1869 Lincolnshire Chronicle
Corden Brown, about 9 years of age, and Francis Brown, his father, members of the gipsy tribe encamping in the neighbourhood of Cleethorpe-Road, were brought up from custody, the boy charged with stealing and the latter receiving a gold watch and guard, a silver Geneva watch and silk guard, a brass case with a new movement in it, and a pinchbeck case, the property of Mr Sylvester, watchmaker of Cleethorpe Road. Value £14 10S. The evidence went to show that on the 3rd inst, in the temporary absense of the prosecutor, the young prisoner entered the  shop and took the articles named, which were hanging on a rod over the work bench. Also some brass nails. On prosecutor returning to the shop he missed the property and a clue to the perpetrator of the robbery was given by a child of prosecutors who saw the boy in the shop, and he was apprehended. When in custody the boy said "i will tell you the truth about the watches. I went home and gave them to my father, and told him where I got them from". The elder prisoner was then arrested by warrent, but he refused to give his name, and when asked if he was the father of the little boy said he did not know. In answer to the charge the man said, "I am innocent as a babe". Both prisoners were committed for trial at Louth Sessions.

16 April 1869 Lincolnshire Chronicle
Robbery of Jewellry at Grimsby
Francis Brown, 30, besom maker and Corden Brown aged 6 years, his son, were charged on the indictment with stealing a gold watch and guard, a silver watch, and other articles the property of Joseph Sylvester at Grmsby, on the 3rd March last. On being called apon to plead to the indictment, it was urged the child could not be called apon to plead: eventually however, he pleaded guilty. It was then found that without the childs evidence the father could not be convicted, and, under the circumstances, it could not be taken: both were, therefore, discharged.

25 Sept 1875 Lincolnshire Chronicle
Francis Brown, gipsy, of Barton, was fined 10s and costs, for being drunk at Barton. PC Stebbings proved the case.


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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 22:37 BST (UK) »
I have a bit on a Dennis Smith b.cir 1820 Leic who married Eleanor Charlotte, b.1817 Gamblingay Cam. Her parents were John Charlotte and Sophia Smith. They settled at Kirton in Lindsey, Lincs, and died in 1860 and 1887 respectively. Now John and Sophias other children were Edmund b.1822 Hickling Nthants, John 1834 Welton Le Marsh, James 1835 Scredington, Sylvesta 1827 Folkingham, Elizabeth 1828-30 married John Major and Levanci b.1829 married Herilah Riley Boswell.

Dennis and Eleanor had:
Sylvestia b.1838 Cabourne or Caister married Tom Major (brother of John) Israel b.1849 Hemswell, Fenwick b.1846 Ricton? Yks (Repton??) Sabina (no date) Sidney b.1835 Nettleham married Maria, Tennant b,1840 Irby on Humber married Caroline Lucy, and Dennis b.1841

Herilah Riley Boswell was b.1827 Bole Notts s/o Elijah aka Lazarus Boswell and d. 1896 Scarborough. His mother was Harriet Woodward. Their children included:

Israel Smith/Boswell b.1851-5 Barrow Upon Humber d.1912 Scarborough married Maria Jefferson 1878 Scarborough.
Aaron Boswell b.1856 Barrow d.1888
Lemontina b.1862 married Alfred Rhodes s/o James
Riley Boswell b.1873 Bridlington
Ellen Boswell/Smith b.1864 Scarborouh d.1955 married John  Ward and had a daughter Mary Elizabeth 1886-1964 married George Thompson.
Jemima Boswell b.1866 Scarborough
William Bowell b.1871 Bridlington
Eve Boswell b.1875 Bridlington.







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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 May 15 22:59 BST (UK) »
I wish I wasnt going to have to say this, but when I give for free and for the love of family history, information that has taken time and cost to collate, and receive no response whatsover, I wonder why  I bother to come back here. Its all too common these days, people take happily, but dont bother to contact to give a little back. Sadly, I say goodbye. I know the information I have added here has been read. I also know I sent a pm, and have received no response. Im not sure if you realise it but some of us subscribe to paid sites to get info, including the Newspaper Archive, and some of this have been doiing this long enough that you had to go hunting in the local archives and the London repositories to get this information. Williing to share, but dont expect to be ignored. :(

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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #14 on: Friday 29 May 15 17:47 BST (UK) »
Sorry I didn't mean to upset anyone only its the school holidays and I have a 5 year old son who demands a lot of attention . I'm very grateful for the info you shared and found it very interesting. It's one thing I love doing is my family tree I've not been well for a few months after having a nervous breakdown and doing my family tree is one thing that's helping me get better. I did find out that Sarah Brown D/o William and Unity b 1843 Tealby married Henry Clayton s/o John Clayton and Francis Booth and had the following children
William b 1870 Holton le clay
Alice.    B 1873 Holton le clay
Fanny.   B 1876 Tetney
Esther.   B 1879

Frank.    B 1880 Tetney
Fred.     B 1885 Tetney

 I also found out that Lucy Smith b Irchester 1824 married Samuel Brown was the d/o Abraham Smith and Mary and that her brother John Smith bp Ludborough 1837 married a Julia Elliott d/o Edward and Martha
Again I'm sorry and should have said thank you sooner for the info

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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #15 on: Friday 29 May 15 19:12 BST (UK) »
Sorry I didn't mean to upset anyone only its the school holidays and I have a 5 year old son who demands a lot of attention . I'm very grateful for the info you shared and found it very interesting. It's one thing I love doing is my family tree I've not been well for a few months after having a nervous breakdown and doing my family tree is one thing that's helping me get better. I did find out that Sarah Brown D/o William and Unity b 1843 Tealby married Henry Clayton s/o John Clayton and Francis Booth and had the following children
William b 1870 Holton le clay
Alice.    B 1873 Holton le clay
Fanny.   B 1876 Tetney
Esther.   B 1879

Frank.    B 1880 Tetney
Fred.     B 1885 Tetney

 I also found out that Lucy Smith b Irchester 1824 married Samuel Brown was the d/o Abraham Smith and Mary and that her brother John Smith bp Ludborough 1837 married a Julia Elliott d/o Edward and Martha
Again I'm sorry and should have said thank you sooner for the info

Oh my. I think you have linked into my family repeatedly there.


My grt x  2 gran was Deliah Smith b.1848 Ludborough. Her parents were Thomas Smith & Mary Brown b abt 1830.
Julia Elliott d/o Edward & Martha - he was the brother of Ann Elliott who married William Smith of Coleorton, and they were the parents of my 3x grt Gran Maria Smith who married Christopher Gray.
Sorry I moaned, its wasn't really you I've had a few people be rather rude in other forums and noy bother to come back one they got their info. Hope you continue to enjoy your family history, it's been my hobby for 25 years now.

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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 30 May 15 11:18 BST (UK) »
found them on the 1861 census Spilsby
Edward Elliot 68 gipsey Willoughby
martha  59 wife great ponton
james   30 son Grantham
charlotte 28 daug wyberton
francis 28 son skellington hill
julia 22 daug timberland
arnold 19 son bloxham
jemima 15 daug burwell
harriett 12 daug billingborough
chrostopher 10 potterhonworth
sarah daug 22 nottingham
thomas gson 6 cumberworth
samuel gson 4 manthorpe
lydia gdaug 2 billinghay
william gson 1m alford
john smith boarder 24
sarah brown boarder 19 wootton

did notice that martha was from great ponton same place as william brown b1806 that married unity smith and wootton seem to be a place for browns

1871 village wooton
william brown 55 ag lab wooton
mary 43 bassingham
benjamin ( hezekiah ) 15 wooton
william 9 ulceby
sarah 7 ulceby
tom 5 wooton
matilda 2 wooton

i did read somewhere about an Alford gypsy lucy brown nee smith about 100

1871 census
 alford
john smith 34 ag lab ludborough
julia smith 29 martin
edwin 7 sheffield
richard 2 carlton
lucy brown visitor widow 40 hawker northamptonshire
wilhelmina brown 12 hogsthorpe
 
ive got lucy on the 1861 ,1881 and 1891 census and some of the childrens baptsims i also got census info on sarah brown and henry clayton i'l try and send it over the weekend

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Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 30 May 15 11:30 BST (UK) »
the children i have for samuel ( sampson) brown and lucy smith are

pricillia 1851 stallingborough samuel and lucy gypsy
hildred 1847 south reston samuel and lucy chair mender
mehitabella 1850 tetford
hezekiah 1854 little carlton sampson and lucy wondering gypsies
joseph 1856 little steeping samson and lucy chair bottomer
wilhelmina 1859 hogsthorpes