Poole family, Upton St Leonards

[rpoole]

It is some years since I last researched this line so thought it was worth another go.
I am seeking any info on my G G G Grandfather Samuel Pool/Poole who married Mary Brown 18 Oct 1802 in USL.  They had 2 sons, Thomas (my gggrandfather) convict to Tasmania on "Barossa" 1842, and Robert who had family in Gls. A cousin Paul Edwards has researched Robert's line and we have most of that family.   What I need is any details on Samuels birth (abt 1779) and who his parents were.  Also who Thomas married before being transported (believed to be Sarah) and who their child was.  Any help would be appreciated.   Cheers, Aussie Bob 

[Victor Harvey]

G'day Bob,
Firstly, Thomas and Robert POOL were NOT brothers, but probably 1st cousins. Please see my findings below.

William POOLE married Hester FREEMAN at St Leonard, 4th November 1797, by Licence.
Thomas POOL, son of William & Hester POOL, christened at St Leonard, May 1st, 1800.

The marriage of Samuel POOL & Mary BROWN are all as shown in your post above.
Robert, son of Samuel & Mary POOL, christened at St Leonard, July 20th, 1806.

I checked the St Leonard's baptism records, 1777-1781, but found NO trace of Samuel.

Victor

[Victor Harvey]

Hi Bob, me again. I have subsequently found, from my own resources, 2 marriages which must belong to your POOL/E family.
Source: Gloucestershire Family History Society (GFHS)
John POOL married Mary RODWAY at St Leonard, February 24th, 1772, by Licence.
John POOL married Esther FRANKIS at St Leonard, December 8th, 1796, by Licence.
Victor

[Victor Harvey]

Hi Bob,
Source: GFHS, St Leonard, Burials:-
31/07/1831, Mary POOL, aged 66
04/04/1832, Samuel POOL, aged 53
20/11/1832, Jane POOL, infant
19/07/1840, William POOLE, aged 1
28/08/1843, Ruth POOLE, aged 9 days
24/08/1848, Susanna POOLE, aged 46
10/10/1854, Charles POOLE, aged 51
21/03/1855, William POOLE, aged 59
Victor

[rpoole]

Hi Victor, Many thanks for your kind responses.  I have long suspected the Thomas Pool/Poole bap 1800 to William and Hester was a cousin of both Robert and Thomas bap 1806 & 1803 to Samuel & Mary Pool.  My Thomas was bap 30 June 1803 & his parents were Samuel & Mary. This is from the USL Parish Records & Bishops Transcripts. So Robert & Thomas were definitely brothers.   
I have been informed that there are no Baptisms & death Parish Records for the period 1774 - 1788 only Bishops transcripts.         I suspect that John Pool and Mary Rodway were the parents of both William & Samuel Pool (The John Pool & Esther Frankis marriage was too late for it to have been them) but of course I am not able to substantiate it.   This is where my brick wall is holding firm.       Cheers,  Aussie Bob

[Victor Harvey]

Hi Bob,
I'd like to help you further, but need direction from you as I can't fully understand your various trees. I shall be visiting the Archives next Saturday, so please post any further requests by Friday.
Victor

[rpoole]

Hi Victor
My tree, as I know it: 
Samuel Pool born Abt 1779 buried 4 Apr 1832 USL, wed Mary Brown 18 Oct 1802 USL.
Known children are:
1. Thomas Poole bap 30 June 1803 USL wed Sarah ? transported for crimes to Tasmania 1842, Thomas and Sarah had one child ?. I have his convict records and Tasmanian families.
2. Robert Poole bap 20 July 1806 USL (I have all his later details)

I can only guess that John Pool & Mary Rodway are Samuel's parents, and this what I need established.  Any help in determining either Samuel Pool or Mary Brown's ancestors would be much appreciated.    I got Thomas Poole's wife Sarah, and the fact they had a child, from Thomas' convict records.    Cheers, Bob

[Victor Harvey]

Hi Bob,
I'm just having a look at your last post and am somewhat confused?
1. Thomas POOL is the son of William & Sarah.
2. Robert POOL is the son of Samuel & Mary.
This I posted above on the 19th May. I note that you claim the BTs show Thomas & Robert as brothers, so I will personally check this tomorrow, plus see what else I can find.
Victor

[rpoole]

No, your post on the 19th said Thomas was the son of William and Hester, not William and Sarah.
However the confusion lies in the fact that there were 2 Thomas Pool's:
1. Thomas Pool baptized 1800 to William Pool and Hester (Freeman)
2. Thomas Pool baptized 1803 to Samuel Pool and Mary (Brown)
I suspect they were cousins.

Best of luck at the Archives, a breakthrough would be great.
Cheers, Bob