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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 06 April 19 10:23 BST (UK) »
Can't see it here?

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.0906&lon=-2.2317&layers=6&b=1

The location was firmly pinpointed in replies 13 and 14  :) (three years ago!)

It wasn't named on the map you linked to, but was the riverside area around Parkend
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102346425#zoom=4&lat=5083&lon=12423&layers=BT

Added: Wark Eels is specifically mentioned in the reference to 'Eale' ('low, flat, marshy ground by the side of a river') in the Dialect Dictionary
https://archive.org/details/englishdialectdi02wrig/page/224
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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 06 April 19 11:41 BST (UK) »
How strange. I hadn't noticed the date! I found this thread displayed as an "unread post" hence my contribution???
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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 06 April 19 11:48 BST (UK) »
I used that Northumberland Communities site to get the Fryer map section for Fenwick Shield that was the next stop for my 4x great grandfather but one after that, Sweethope (about a mile north of Thockrington), my luck has run out as not near any of the towns/villages on there.  Can't seem to find a full copy of the map online and book traders seem to want about £300 for a copy of the original mapbook  :o

I can't see Fryers Map online, but in case you are interested and haven't already found it, here is link to Armstrong's Map 1789 map https://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo%3A79575?display=grid
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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 06 April 19 18:47 BST (UK) »
Yes. This one was solved 3 years ago and help was much appreciated  8)  I'd still love to have a full copy of John Fryer & Sons' Map of the County of Northumberland (1820) though as still not got one  ::) 
Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire


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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #31 on: Monday 10 February 25 23:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi All    I chanced upon this site when looking for the birthplace of my 3x great grandfather, Richard Charleton, baptised 7 May 1760, at St Mungo's Church, Simonburn, Northumberland, to parents Thomas and Mary {nee x?} Charleton. Their place of Abode was  "Warks Wood", hence searching this site.
Does anyone know where this "Warks Wood" is located? The assumption is that is is probably located  somewhere between Wark and Simonburn, but I would love to know.
Regards
Stephen Schollum, Cambridge New Zealand.

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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 11 February 25 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Stephen - think I have "Warks Wood" for you  ;D  It was just hiding under spelling as "Warkswood" and was & is a farm about 1km northwest of Wark.  You can see it on modern Ordnance Survey map here
https://streetmap.co.uk/map?x=384834&y=578051&z=120&sv=384834,578051&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map&searchp=ids&dn=859&ax=384834&ay=578051&lm=0

I managed to find it by a roundabout process as on this page
https://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Wark-on-Tyne_C15.htm
you'll see right down in bottom left of the page a "Tithe Award" from 1840, open it up and about half way down first column you'll see the name "Charlton William John" (and  few Charlton before so are they all yours ?) and he is owner of two properties, the second of these is "Warks Wood South Farm" and the first is "Hesley Hirst" which I found quite quickly on this 1860s map
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102346425
then on the basis then that probably his land holdings were close to each other I looked to south of Hesley Hirst and bingo there was "Warkswood".... to find these two farms on this map look along the top margin to where it says "BELLINGHAM" then just to left of that near top edge of the sheet you'll see "Hesley Hirst" just on left edge of the woods, then look down below that and between the "A" & "R" of "WARK" you'll see "Warkswood" farmstead.

Found some modern photos of Warkswood farmstead here
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/814387

Its just too small to show up on any older maps than these unfortunately.
 
Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire

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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 11 February 25 21:50 GMT (UK) »
That’s a great find.

. to find these two farms on this map look along the top margin to where it says "BELLINGHAM" then just to left of that near top edge of the sheet you'll see "Hesley Hirst" just on left edge of the woods, then look down below that and between the "A" & "R" of "WARK" you'll see "Warkswood" farmstead.

To home in on the actual location centre the map on Warkswood then tap on ‘link to this view’ at the bottom of the page. This produces this url which takes you right to the spot.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102346425#zoom=6.2&lat=8557&lon=8452&layers=BT

Here is Warkswood in the Northumberland Name Books, which were compiled c.1860 in preparation for the production of the 1st edition 6” Ordnance Survey maps.
http://namebooks.org.uk/browse/main/?OSref=425&Page=45.0&terms=Warkswood&case=i&words=y
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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 12 February 25 05:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi  "Hat of the Cat"  and  "JenB"  for your prompt and most informative information and references. .   I have been searching my Charleton forebears from Elsdon (farms at East Toddles, West Toddles, Wiskershiel, Witless,  North Riding and Landshot)  for over 35 years, but only recently found the reference to  Wark Woods.  I recall even searching it as Warkwoods, but only found one reference to a plant at Warkwoods Estate, Newcastle Great Park.   Obviously I was not searching the applicable Maps, but, living down under,  I am unfamiliar with the range of historical maps to search. Therefore, all your links are much appreciated.
While we spell the name 'Charleton'  with the 'e', I certainly see references to the spelling 'Charlton.'   I am unsure  when and why the spelling changed.  One anecdotal story told two me was that the 'e' was included to indicate that the family was 'C of E'. Who knows?  The list of other Charlton family names provides more opportunities to explore, especially  for the  grandfather of Richard  Charleton,  [my 3x Great Grandfather] ,baptised & May 1769, son of Thomas Charleton. This information kindly provided by both of you has provided much valuable additions to my on-going research.
Thanks, Stephen Schollum, Cambridge, NZ

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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 12 February 25 09:10 GMT (UK) »
You might like to bookmark the useful Northumberland Farm Index
https://northumberlandarchives.com/docs/Northumberland%20Farm%20Index%201860.pdf which lists farms names in existence in about 1860 together with the name of the township and parish in which they were situated.
The name books which I mentioned in my previous posting are also a great source of contemporary information.
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