Women In Griffiths Valuation

[taramcdsmall]

Is this you ?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~colin/Ancestors/Ferguson/Tullyboy.htm

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

1861 there is a John Ferguson of Tullyboy in a Petty Sessions Record !

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

There is also an 1866 John Ferguson on Tullyboy Petty Session record !

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

There is an 1868 Dog Licence Record for John Ferguson of Tullyboy.

* I am just posting these to try and get a timeline for a John Ferguson in the area !

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Have you ever looked into the possibility of BOTH John Fergusons being deceased and that the John Ferguson listed could be Robert's brother or cousin ?

Tara

[california dreamin]

A Margaret Ferguson appears in Griffiths Valuations 1857 as both an occupier and immediate lessor at map reference 10 in Tullyboy, Kilbride Parish, Co. Cavan. The valuation records of the Electoral Divison of Ballymachugh, parish of Kilbride 1857-1930 lists John Ferguson as occupier of map references 1 and 7 on a page that appears dated 1862. Margaret Ferguson still occupies map reference 10 but a second entry shows Robert Ferguson in a different handwriting as though he became a joint occupier about 1860. Later, about 1872 it appears that Robert becomes the sole occupier as on this page Marg. appears but is crossed out. In this time frame the name John Ferguson no longer appears. From 1880 on, the only Ferguson listed is Robert.

Hi Colin-
I have just been looking at the GV for these people.  Just to clarify Margaret Ferguson is the occupier of Plot 10, Tullyboy, Co Cavan.  The immediate Lessor  is The Hon. Somerset Maxwell. Margaret has a house & buildings 10(a)  which are valued at £4  - she also has a house 10(b)valued at 5 shillings (really a sod hut, given the value shown) this is let to John Briody. She does not let him any land.

I am unclear what you are trying to say about John Ferguson.  Does he appear in the revision books in connection with this property?

I have just been looking at a very good document I have about GV's.  It does say a woman often has 'widow' appended to their name if they are widowed.

[taramcdsmall]

I agree California Dreamin

Sometimes people see Lessor and presume the person owned the land and was renting it out.

A lot of the cases that I have come across (rural areas) is of someone subletting a part of the land that they themselves were only leasing.

It was sometimes to another family member, it was sometimes to a labourer working on the land, sometimes it was to the likes of a shepherd who was tending livestock on the land.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

HA

Just another thought, could the Margaret have been the MOTHER of either of the Johns ?

Tara

[california dreamin]

Hi Tara -
 Yes, exactly  I think  John Briody is a cottier who is helping on the land.  It seems quite a bit portion of land.

I am just a little unclear how John who has land in Ballymachugh(?) should be connected to land in Tullyboy.  So if Colin could clarify this it would help.  It could be Margaret is the mother then land is then handed onto  John. As you have pointed out it could be cousins or other family members.

But with respect to Colin I think he needs to interpret the GV carefully he may get some further details.  It is this bit here The valuation records of the Electoral Divison of Ballymachugh, parish of Kilbride 1857-1930 lists John Ferguson as occupier of map references 1 and 7 on a page that appears dated 1862.   Do you mean the Griffiths?  Revisions books or what?

Colin - have you looked at earlier tithe records also?

CD