Early Annan Census - look up offer

[cupcake]

Hi jtidema,

Sent you an e-mail with photograph of Annan church. The e-mail was returned, hope all is well.

Have sent it again to see if it goes this time.

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[jma09]

Hi  Is the offer to look up the 1801/1811/1821 Annan census still available on this thread?.  If so I am interested in who was living on Belridden Farm (near Ruthwell).  David Murray was living there in the 1750s and I'm hoping some of his descendents were there early 1800s.  Thanks  Janine

[cupcake]

jma09,

I think Ruthwell is nearer Dumfries than Annan. Looked on Google and there doesn't appear to be a Belridden Farm there today. There is a Ruthwell Farm, though.

However I did look up the early Annan census for 1801 1811 1821 and there was a David Murray - Jean Irving living at BURGH SOUTH SIDE in the 1801 census.

Sorry I wasn't able to help you with this.

[cupcake]

jma09,

Since my last post, I have discovered Belridden Farm still exists today. Don't know why Google didn't show it. The farm is next to Ruthwell Church. Do you know if he is buried there and do you have photographs of the farm?
I was wrong to say Ruthwell is nearer Dumfries. Ruthwell is about 7 miles from Annan & 10 from Dumfries.
So, I think I need to look at the Dumfries census for a Murray but, it doesn't start till 1841. I'll certainly have a look for you.

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[cupcake]

Have looked at the 1841/1851 census and there are no Murray's at Belridden.

However there were Murray's at Ruthwell (farmer) but perhaps no connection:

1841 Census
Address Kirkbeck

MURRAY   John          50     Farmer
MURRAY    Isabella      40
MURRAY    John      9
MURRAY    Margaret   15
MURRAY    Janet   14
MURRAY  Eliza   12
PATERSON  Thomas  18   Agricultural  Labourer


1851Census
Name: MURRAY , John
Address: Kirkbeck(846)
Parish: Ruthwell
Relationship: head of household
Marital Status: married
Occupation: FARMER of 68 acres employing 4 labourers
Age: 62
Born: born Ruthwell Dms
Household No: 4/1

Both same families


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[cupcake]

jma09

Briefly, the John MURRAY in my last post was b. around 1788 died.1873 aged 85 years.

Just back from the library and went through the 1851 census again, and came accross this:

1851 Census

Jackson Adam
Address: Belridding Parish:  Ruthwell
Relationship:  Head of Household
Marital Status: married
Occupation: FARMER of 110 acres employing 7 labourers
Age: 55
Born: Annan

Still doesn't answer you question, whether there were some of David's descendents there in the early 1800's as there is no way of knowing how long this chap was at Belridding.

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[sgj]

I have just discovered your thread and wonder if you are still doing look ups.  I am trying to find information on James Gass, a joiner, from Annan, who married Elizabeth Steel in 1807.  I am hoping to find the names of their children.

Would also appreciate any info on James's father George Gass , a flesher, who married Margaret Weild.

Thanks
SGJ

[cupcake]

Hi sgj,

Have had a look at the Early Annan census's for 1801 1810 1821. There are lots of GASS's in Annan but, only the following two families could be yours.

1811 census
Queensberry Arms :

James GASS jnr. & Spouse; John; George (manf)

1821 census - might be your James, but no mention of joiner.

BUTTS STREET

James GASS, Spouse , 4 sons 1 daughter

Didn't find a George GASS - flesher. Also had a look at the MI's for Gass in the Annan cemeteries, but to no avail. Perhaps they moved away from Annan.

The next time I am at the library I'll have a look at the birth microfishe  to see if I can find any children to James and Elizabeth.

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[sgj]

Hi Cupcake

Thanks for the information.  James Gass is buried at Dornock, so is his father.

Regards
SGJ