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[cupcake]

Hi tkgafs,

Have just looked through the Hoddom MI's which include Ecclefechan.
 
The Agnes you thought might be buried in Hoddam 06 May 1847 was married to a George Rae. There are eight Kennedy's buried - two of them have Post 1855 inscriptions. No William Kennedy and Agnes Moffat.

There are 14 Moffat's - 6 with Post 1855 inscriptions. Might be worth a visit, once the Tennis is finished.

However, there are 3 Dalglieshe's buried, one in Hoddam and 2 in Ecclefechan. This maybe a possible for Catherine's parents:

WEST SECTION Eccclefechan.

Here lyes John Dalgliesh in Mainside and Janet Henderson his spouse who died 2nd March 1763 aged 59 years, she died 18th of said month, aged 55 years.

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[tkgafs]

Cupcake,

thanks for the update, I rather thought that the Agnes Moffat buried  there would indeed turn out to be the wrong one, one well at least its an elimination not more doubt.

Tkgafs

[cupcake]

Tkgafs,

The reason I thought the John and Janet might be possible parents for Catherine Dalgliesh is, they had a John and a Janet. Also, their death year 1763 would be about right.

Even if we got James Moffat & Catherine Dalgliesh's marriage details, it wouldn't give their parents, way back in 1759.

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[tkgafs]

Cupcake

I think Catharine's father is George for the following reasons, but happy to be proved wrong !!

there is a Kathrina Dalgleish baptised 1st April 1733 in Annan father is George Dalgleish

Try the following search https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AKatharine~%20%2Bsurname%3ADalgleish~&birth_place2=8%2CScotland%2CDumfriesshire&birth_year0=1700

All Catharine and James children list their mother as Katharine or similar with the exception of William when it is spelt Catherine.

Try the following search on Familysearh.org

https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bfather_surname%3AMoffat~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AKatharine~%20%2Bmother_surname%3ADalgleish~

As you will see there is a Catherine baptised 1735 with George as a Father in dumfries in 1735, but the letter from William Kennedy to his daughter ties Agnes Moffat as a sister to William Moffat.

also another useful search Katharine Dalgleish with a spouse of James Moffat

https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AKatharine~%20%2Bsurname%3ADalgleish~%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bspouse_surname%3Amoffat~


let me know what you think

Tkgafs

[cupcake]

Tkgafs,

I don't know what to think. I certainly can't prove you wrong, as they did have a son George, too, as well as a John.

The naming tradition went as follows:

First son after his parental Grandfather
Second son after his maternal Grandfather
Third son after his father

First daughter after her maternal Grandmother
Second daughter after her parental Grandmother
Third daughter after her Mother


I looked at the MI's for Annan, but there isn't a burial for a George Dalgliesh. If there had been, it may have helped.

So, I can't be sure  - the clan have her born 1735 and the family Search b. 1733/1735


These are from the Clan Moffat site.

Catherine Dalgleish,   b. 29 July 1735, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

1. Janet Moffat,   b. 1760, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

2. John Moffat,   b. 9 March 1763, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
 
3. Elizabeth Moffat,   b. 27 August 1765, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

4. Mary Moffat,   b. 5 February 1767, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

5. Mary Moffat,   b. 5 October 1767

6. Agnes Moffat,   b. 27 November 1769, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

7. William Moffat,   b. 16 April 1772, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

8. George Moffat,   b. 1775, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

9. James Moffat,   b. 25 September 1778, Luce Park, Dumfriesshire, Scotland ,   d. 22 April 1820, Hoddom, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

This appears to be the above James Moffat, buried at Hoddam:

James Moffat in Luce Park who died 22nd. April 1820 aged 42 years and John his son who died 15th. August 1837 aged 23 years and Jannet Irving, spouse of the above James Moffat who died at Nether Albie 31st. December 1861 aged 80 years.

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[tkgafs]

Cupcake

I think the clan moffat site is probably wrong

If you search on Scotlands people you get exact matches for

2. John Moffat,   b. 9 March 1763, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
 
3. Elizabeth Moffat,   b. 27 August 1765, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

4. Mary Moffat,   b. 5 February 1767, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

6. Agnes Moffat,   b. 27 November 1769, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

7. William Moffat,   b. 16 April 1772, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

but they are all bapitised in Annan not Ecclefechan they all have a father of James Moffat and a mother of Katharine or similar spelling except William whose mother is Catherine

try a search on Scotlands people as follows 

Surname Moffat
Forename blank
Sex Both
Date From 01 January 1756
Date To 31 December 1780
Parent Name James 2nd Parent name *ath*   [to cover the various spellings of Katharine/Katherine/Kathrine/Catherine]
County Dumfries
Parish Annan

You will get six matches, you will need a credit to view the results

but you can search for each one individually setting the correct date, name and gender

These confirm the results from FamilySearch

The only George Moffat I can find is baptised 13/04/1776 in Moffat the parents seem to be Thomas Moffat,​ Hellen Johnston

the only James Moffat is baptised 8/2/1776 in Tynron parents seem to be Alexander Moffat,​ Jean Maxwell

There is a Jannet Moffat baptised 21 Apr 1771 in Dumfries with a parent of James Moffat the mother is not listed

there is indeed a Catherine Dalgleish baptised 29 Jul 1735 in Dumfries with a Father of George

but there is also a Kathrina Dalgleish baptised 01 Apr 1733 in Annan with a Father of George and her name seems to fit as the mother in all the birth records except William where it is Catherine, all the births are also baptised in Annan, where  Kathrina herself is baptised.

A Catharine Dalgleish marries a William Laidley in Sanquhar,Dumfries,Scotland in 1767

I can't find a record for a Mary Moffat dying in scotland between 1767 and 1780 on scotlands people

But Family search have her being baptised twice !! on the two dates 5/2/1767 and 5/10/1767 as does ScotlandsPeople, the 2nd one may well be the burial record which has been put in the wrong place in the OPR, but I havent seen the book to know

Look forward to hearing from you

Tkgafs

[cupcake]

Hi again,

The reason I put the Clan Moffat on my last post was to show you the birth date they have for Catherine. I agree, the clan Moffat maybe wrong.

William was born in Annan and not Ecclefechan, obviously I hadn't checked with his brothers and sisters, as I was just concentrating on William when I first started my search. I have written down somewhere  where William was born in Annan, just can't put hands on it at the moment.

Yes, if it’s on Scotlands People, it is correct. Wonder why they were Christened in Annan when they were apparently born in Ecclefechan. There is a church there.

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[tkgafs]

Cupcake,

it is not unknown for children to baptised in the home church of the mother, which would be Annan if you accept that Katharine is the mother.

But other than the clan moffat website saying so  is there any evidence they were born in Ecclefechan ?

We really need to have a look at the actual OPRs to see if they give any more detail than the actual names.

Tkgafs

[Wiggy]

HI Cupcake,

Thanks for the offer of look-ups.


I have families living in or near Annan about the turn of the 1790 - 1830 ish.

Robert Brown born 1790    ? parents Thomas and Jean - not sure though  Born in Applegarth

Also David and Mary Johnstone with son George and  ?? John   . . I don't know others -   I don't know if Annan covers Dryfesdale does it??


Hope my geography isn't too far off the mark.

Wiggy