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What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« on: Sunday 10 May 15 06:16 BST (UK) »
My 2x great grandmother was apparently born at circa1835 Elizabeth Lazenby is her name on her daughter Sarah's NZ Death certificate.I know this may not be correct but does anyone know which of the place names could be/is correct please.
Elizabeth had a 2nd daughter Mary Jane known as Polly within the family and her husband was Henry Jones, Born Warwickshire about the same year.
I can find no marriage for Elizabeth Lazenby & Henry Jones (he became a Stationary Engineer) either but they are on the 1861 and 1871 English censuses

Where would you research if you were me?
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Re: What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 May 15 07:56 BST (UK) »
From GenUKI:

"PAYTHORNE, in the parish of Gisburn, west-division and liberty of Staincliffe; 9 miles S. of Settle, 11 from Skipton and Colne, (Lanc.) Pop. 242."
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Re: What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 May 15 08:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you..that gives me a better starting place for Parish records.
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Re: What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 May 15 08:29 BST (UK) »
As it was so close to the Lancashire border, you might want to look in Lancashire, too?

If I have the right couple, they were living in Lancashire in 1861 and 1871?
What place of birth does Elizabeth give on the censuses?

On the 1871 census, they are living in Sheffield (Brightside Bierlow):
Henry Jones, Head, 36, b Birmingham
Elizabeth Jones, Wife, 37, b Peathorne, Yorkshire
Sarah Jones, Daughter, 10, b Manchester
Mary Ann Jones, Daughter, 4, b Manchester
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Re: What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 May 15 14:47 BST (UK) »
You really could do with either Sarah or Mary Anns birth certificate to confirm Elizabeths maiden name.  I have a strong feeling that it wasn`t Lazenby.

On the 1851 census there is an Elizabeth Jackson aged 19 a servant born Peathorn Yorkshire (one site has it as Yorke Peathom) living in Newton Manchester.   I rather think it is your Elizabeth. 


Manchester Cathedral
6th March, 1853
John Pilkington, 22, Bachelor, Stoker, 5 St, Johns Terrace, Longsight, father Richard Pilkington, Farmer
Elizabeth Jackson, 23, Spinster, 5 St, Johns Terrace, Longsight, Father Thomas Jackson, Farmer
John signed Elizabeth made her mark

Christ Church, Heaton Norris
24th June, 1860
Henry Jones, Full Age, Bachelor, HAMMERMAN, Heaton Norris, father John Jones, Carpenter
Elizabeth Pilkington, Full Age, WIDOW, Heaton Norris, Father Thomas Jackson, Farmer
Henry signed and Elizabeth made her mark
Witnesses were John and Eliza Wilson.

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Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peak(e)
Devon: Martin, Walter(s)

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Re: What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 May 15 06:36 BST (UK) »
Thank you to you both for your ideas and possibliliites.
We didn't know who 'Aunt Polly' was after our mother died along with family knowledge.
I had a photo of myself as a baby with a message to 'Aunt Polly' which was never sent...on calling on a younger cousin of my mother's I asked her and she had letters written by Polly to her father, my grandmothers brother, along with others from more family members. I struck  gold as attached to one letter was an obit. with more family members names.
Since then I have been contacted by the 2xGGrand daughter of another sibling of my grandmother's who never migrated to NZ but she is in Adelaide. My mother mentioned staying with her Aunt & Uncle in Gorton and seeing a Zeppelin pass over just before they left Manchester to come to NZ late 1916/17. More about that but all rather interesting to discover my mother didn't make up stories which we thought were far fetched when we were younger. Truth can be stanger than fiction.
I have cousins in Manchester who we have stayed with 2x..one time visiting Styal Cotton Mill and last time a tour of the Manchester Town Hall which coincided with our days with them. They are not interested very much in Family Hx and I have done what they have from here. Also very interesting as their 'way back' connections were Moravians.
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Re: What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 May 15 06:42 BST (UK) »
Thank you to you both for your ideas and possiblilities.
One census had Peathorne and the other Peethorne..regional dialects??
We didn't know who 'Aunt Polly' was after our mother died along with family knowledge.
I had a photo of myself as a baby with a message to 'Aunt Polly' which was never sent...on calling on a younger cousin of my mother's I asked her and she had letters written by Polly to her father, my grandmothers brother, along with others from more family members. I struck  gold as attached to one letter was an obit. with more family members names.
Since then I have been contacted by the 2xGGrand daughter of another sibling of my grandmother's who never migrated to NZ but she is in Adelaide. My mother mentioned staying with her Aunt & Uncle in Gorton and seeing a Zeppelin pass over just before they left Manchester to come to NZ late 1916/17. More about that but all rather interesting to discover my mother didn't make up stories which we thought were far fetched when we were younger. Truth can be stranger than fiction.
I have cousins in Manchester who we have stayed with 2x..one time visiting Styal Cotton Mill and last time a tour of the Manchester Town Hall which coincided with our days with them. They are not interested very much in Family Hx and I have done what they have from here. Also very interesting as their 'way back' connections were Moravians.
You like we know that as 'genies'
My home email is (*) should you think of anything else and want to contact me here.
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 May 15 07:42 BST (UK) »
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Re: What is correct Peathorne/Peethorne or was it Paythorne
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 May 15 10:20 BST (UK) »
The Jones Family at Brightside Bierlow are the correct family.

My GGrandmother Sarah came to NZ in 1913 withher husband and the younger members of her family.
Like a lot of families they too scattered after WW1 and some also went to Victoria in Australia.
By 1922 the parents had died. So much for a new life in the Antipedes.
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