Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim

[lmgnz]

Hi Donna

Have a great trip. I see Gilby did not mention it but the EDW Alexander who married Catherine Bell, daughter of John, at Killead  on 11 Apr 1850 was related to  both Gilby and I. EDW does not stand for Edward but for Ezekiel D Wiley Alexander, son of Isabel Wiley and Samuel Alexander of Umgall Templepatrick.   EDW Alexander was a cousin of my 2x gt grandfather.

[DonnaMarie1982]

I will thank you! Cant wait to have a nose around at some documents and I have some Glenarvy stuff on my wish list as well - will see what i can manage to get through.

It would be interesting to find out if there is a connection with the Clements family in that area, the marriage of a Susannah Clements to a Bell and then the names Clements Bell and Dalway Bell appearing .... I'm fairly sure we will all turn out to be distant cousins somewhere along the line.

Donna

[SpudKiwi]

PRONI ref D2025-1 dated June 11, 1822 "A memorial of an intended deed of conveyance" was witnessed by Dolway Bell and Arthur Bell both of Glenfield.

All PRONI references starting with D2025 seem to be related to the Glenfield property.

[SpudKiwi]

I have received information from a representative of St Aidans Church, of the following baptisms:

Page 1. Glenavy C/I  Baptisms (Proni ref MIC1/44/1
Baptised 20th Dec 1840  Anne ND (natural daughter) of John Bell Ballytrummery and Margaret Cormican of Femore
Baptised 26th Dec 1841 Allen NS (natural son) of John Bell and Margaret Cormican both of Ballytromery.
Baptised 23rd April 1843 Catherine ND (natural daughter) of John Bell and Margaret Cormican of Ballytromery.
Baptised 17th March 1844 John NS (natural son) of John Bell and Margaret Cormican of Ballytromery

These are the Allen, Catherine and John that came to New Zealand in the early to mid 1860s.

My father is a direct male descendant of Allen, and has done a Y-111 DNA test if anyone is interested.

[DonnaMarie1982]

Hi All,

Did my first run at PRONI and have maybe a work in progress a tentative theory on the Bell/Clements connection which would hold if Dolway Bell is indeed the son of Susannah Clements and John Bell.

Susannah's father was William Clements (we know this from her fathers will d.1810) Susannah also has a brother called Dolway as this is a common Clements family name for this Branch.

At PRONI I have found some further wills in the Stewart Kennedy Notebook. There is a Benjamin Clements d.1738 Wife Elizabeth. Son William Clements (the above William?). Daughters Sara, Jane, Elizabeth Mary. Brother in Law Henry Clements (this may be the key to anchoring this bit down as it suggests one of Benjamins sisters may have married a Clements and I doubt Clements to Clements marriage will be that common )

There is then a will for a John Clements (gent) date 1712 (time of writing no proved date) who has sons Benjamin and John and Abraham. Daughter Martha and Susan. wife Jean.

Edward Clements and Elinor Dalway of Clements Hill have a son John who I havent managed to trace. Could it be the above John?

Just some thoughts.

Donna

[tld]

Hi Philip,

The Bells of Carnaughliss are buried at Carmavy Graveyard, located here:
https://goo.gl/maps/cA6WKBHfbAJgEBPZ8

I visited in 2015 and photographed every headstone.  I also have a 1993 survey report.  Unfortunately there are no Magees/McGees or Deans.

I’m afraid I’ve never been to Hannahstown graveyard.

I would be interested in the information about the headstones there. I plan to visit this summer, as I think my great-great-grandfather might well be there: Clements W. Bell (1769-1845).

[tld]

It turns out there was an even earlier “Clements Bell” who died in Boltnaconnell aged 82 in 1845:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1851/Antrim/Lower_Massereene/Killead/Boltnaconnell/22/

____ BELL
   David BELL (c1761-1845)
   Clements BELL (c1763-1845)
      Clements BELL (c1800-1870) m. Jane HERON
         William BELL (c1824-1878) m. (1865) Agnes QUIREY
         Mary Jane BELL m. James ARCHER
         Alexander BELL m. (1862) Elizabeth FULTON
         Clements BELL (d. 1860)
      William Sayers BELL (c1820-?) m. (1847) Elizabeth IRELAND
         John Ireland BELL (c1848-?)
         Clements BELL (c1849-1915)
      Clementina BELL (c1827-1909) m. Samuel SUFFERN
         William SUFFERN
         Sarah SUFFERN
         Mary SUFFERN
         Violet SUFFEN

Clements BELL (c1800-1870) moved to Ballyearl.  His son William BELL named his “uncle” William Sayers BELL as an executor.  However, there is a big age difference, so if I’ve got this right then the first Clements probably had two wives, and may have had a load of other children.

Interestingly, William Sayers Bell said in the 1901 census that he was born “in Belfast”.  Here are a few other Boltnaconnell Bells I haven’t been able to place yet…

William BELL m. ____?
   Joseph BELL (c1802-?), schoolmaster m. (1849) Agnes HAWTHORN

David BELL m. Nancy CATHCART
   Agnes BELL m. (1827) Daniel REA
   Jane BELL m. (1828) Samuel COURTNEY
   David BELL m. (1830) Mary HINDMAN

The last family is from the Killead Presbyterian marriage register.

These are my relatives! My great-grandfather was Edward Alexander Bell (b. 1824), son of Clements W. Bell (1769-1845). His siblings were William Bell, John Bell and Clementina Bell, I believe. They are from near Dundrod, Crumlin, listed also as Boltnaconnell, Killead Parish, Carnaghliss Townland, Aghnadarragh, in County Antrim, Northern Ireland, which is very near Glenavy. David Bell was the brother of Clements W. Bell, acc. to a census record.

Edward Alexander Bell married Leah Kennedy, whose family lived in Dundrod, Crumlin, acc. to letters from Jane Kennedy in the 1920s. Edward and Leah Bell immigrated to the United States in the 1840s.

I would appreciate any information you might have about the families.

[corinthian]

I realise that this thread is quite old now but have only just stumbled upon it.

I am not sure if my Bells fit into this at all but I believe that my 4 x great grandfather, John Bell, who was from Ballymacrevan, Ballinderry, Upper Massareene, Antrim, may have some connection with this family.

He was born in 1796 and married a lady named Susannah in about 1821. I cannot trace a marriage. John Bell died in 1846. Susannah was born in 1807 and died 19/04/1839, aged 31.

I have traced the following children: William, born 1826, Rebecca, born 1827, Arthur, born in 1828, Conway, born 1829 and died 1830, aged 9 months, Conway, born 1830, Ezekiel F, born 1832, Julianna, born 1834, (my 3 x great grandmother), James, born 1835, Dolway, born 1836, Emma, born in 1837, and Edwin John, born in 1839.  There may also have been an older son, named George, born in about 1822, (although Susannah would have been very young to have been giving birth in 1822). 

I have a DNA match with someone descended from George Bell.

If anyone has any thoughts on how, (or if), my Bells fit into this family I would be grateful if you could please enlighten me!



     

[Gilby]

Hi tld,

I don’t think there is a headstone in Carmavy for the Clements Bell who died in 1845.  The only thing I can add is that I think his wife was probably Margaret Sayers, as per this marriage record from Killead Presbyterian (PRONI CR3/3/1):

13th Apr 1838
Kennedy Hunter, son of Kennedy Hunter and Jane McNully, Killealy
Sarah Alexander Bell, daughter of Clements Bell and Margt Sayers, Killealy
Wm McIhath and Jno Morrison

Thanks for telling us about Edward Alexander Bell.  Would you be able to provide a bit more detail about the sources which detail his wife and siblings?

Gilby