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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 27 February 21 13:54 GMT (UK) »
Crossle Abstracts

Index to Exchequer Bills 1680-81

19b. Dallway Clements v. Ralph Smith.  Bill 3 July 1680.  No ans[wer].



This would mean Dalway Clements senior was probably born before 1660.  So if his parents were Edward Clements and Eleanor Dalway, they were probably born before 1640.  That would fit OK I think.


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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 27 February 21 14:01 GMT (UK) »
The Dalway Clements on the Will of Tracy Humphrey is a different one to the Dalway Clements at Glenavy. There are several around as it became commonly used within the family.

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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 27 February 21 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Hmm.  Is there an earlier source of the name in the family then?

I've currently got the death of Edward Clements (who was married to Eleanor Dalway) as 1733, or have I got the wrong date for the wrong man?


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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 27 February 21 14:36 GMT (UK) »
That would be Edward Clements the younger. Edward Clements Senior d1718 at Ballynure.

Not sure about the Hearth Roll, my eldest Dalway would be a baby at the time so not sure how that would work - would need to understand what the claim entailed. The Clements family come from England where the records are more solid and nothing shows for the name Dalway before the marriage of Edward Clements and Elinor Dalway.


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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 27 February 21 15:01 GMT (UK) »
PRONI T700 p35 - Edward Clements - will extract

Will of Edward Clements of Clement’s Hill, Co Antrim, Esq.

Buried in Mullymore [could be Ballynure?]

Nephew Henry son of Francis Ellis

Waterhouse Crymble brother-in-law

Mrs Anne Maxwell wife of Arthur Maxwell of Drum

Arthir McNeill of Staud [Straid?]
Arthur French

Date 24th March 1718



Waterhouse Crymble was married to Millicent Clements, daughter of Edward Clements senior?  So this would suggest it was Edward junior who died in c1718, possibly predeceasing his father?

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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 27 February 21 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Actually, I just found the marriage licence for Edward Clements to "Ellinor Dalaway" which is dated 1678.

So those Clements of near Magherafelt I mentioned must have had some some other (earlier) reason for calling a son Dalway.  And they may have had nothing to do with the Clements family of Straid.  Sorry for the detour!

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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 27 February 21 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi DonnaMarie,

The CLEMENTS and DALWAY names are very well known in Co. Antrim.

The former hailed from CLEMENTS' Hill in Ballynure parish (just East of Ballyclare town).
[Their famous "son" is Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENS), the famous American author.]

John DALWAY was a soldier.
He came across to Carrickfergus as part of the army under the Earl of Essex (DEVEREUX) in 1573.
[DEVEREUX was Queen Elizabeth 1st's new fancy piece, after the Earl of Leicester died.
 Her aim was to bring the Ulster Lords (O'NEILL, O'DONNELL, MacGUIRE) to heel.
 He (famously) let her down, making a deal in the middle of a stream, then abandoning his post.]

DALWAY built DALWAY's Bawn near Carrickfergus.
Such was a fortified house/farm.
https://carrickfergushistory.co.uk/dalway-the-cassie-and-the-cattle-empire/

Built according to King JAMES (STEWART) 1st's specification for the 1612 Ulster Plantation.
[Notwithstanding that Co. Antrim was NOT officially part of this venture.
 A deal having been made already with the Early of Antrim in 1605.]

Participants were awarded 1,000 acres of land, and the (newly created) title of Baronet.
[This gave King James leverage to threaten the obstreperous Barons with demotion/replacement.
 Such "sat" on the the next higher rung of the aristocracy.
 They were not happy about the regal succession, despite the unassailable DNA evidence .]

In return they had to promise to populate the lands with a prescribed density of "loyal" settlers.
Then also, importantly, to pay him £1,000!
[To replenish the regal coffers which Elizabeth had decimated during her "Irish Wars".]

Many soldiers were offered grants of lands as rewards for their efforts.
[To be interpreted as "in lieu of back pay".
 Such was very common in many many military expeditions.]


Many lands within Co. Donegal were allocated to King James STEWART's relatives.
[If you were a soldier you were designated a "Servitor" and could get a minimum 2,000A.
 If not, you were designated an "Undertaker" and could get (multiples of) 1,000A, pro rata.]

There were many native DOYLEs (Oops, correction: DALYs) there.
[Modern English Language spelling.]
Apparently there, and elsewhere, the DALWAY spelling is considered to be a "better" representation for the pronounciation of the original DÁLACH Gaelic surname.
Ref: The Book of Ulster Surnames, Robert BELL. ISBN 0-85640-405-5. P.49


Many folks went out West at the start of the Plantation, but then migrated Eastward.
[Due to the many engagements/setbacks involved in the 1641 Rebellion & then the Jacobite wars.
 Such involved many scarperings across the sea to Scotland, then back again.
 e.g. the ancestors of W.F. McKINNEY, the famous genealogist of Carnmoney.]


The Valley of the Lagan (S/W from Belfast) and the shores of Lough Neagh were areas of heavy English Settlement.
[The latter was renowned for its plethora of orchards.  Known as "Little England".]

Capt. Jock

P.S Straid lies a few miles SE of Ballynure village, on the road from Ballyclare to Carrickfergus.
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 27 February 21 21:20 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Whuttle,

I've done quite a lot of work on them as a one name study following the family and have amassed and put together a lot of bits and pieces.

One group stays in the Ballynure area, there is a crypt in the old graveyard there with several stones. The other groups in Glenavy at Clements Mount through William Clements (I'm hoping to make it over to PRONI in the next few years as I wish to view the Adair papers which has a lot of items related to Clements Hill and might provide some clarification on who William is)

My own Branch moved to Belagherty in Ballinderry and continued to use the names Dolway/Dalway and also the first name of Wheelwright was introduced which has allowed me to track the family using surviving wills. I am informed there is still a Clements family on the farm in Ballinderry today.

Once I trace the lines downwards I may find some DNA evidence to tie everything together. Very happy to share information with anyone that needs it.

Donna

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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 27 February 21 21:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gilby,

I have a string of wills that show how the Ballinderry/Magherafelt Clements are related to the Clements of Straid. The family starts making use of the name Wheelwright Clements which again is unusual and easier to pick out. Dalway Clements d1721 mentions his Grandson Wheelwright Clements in his will. My 4x Greatgrandfather is Wheelwright Clements born at Ballinderry to Dolway and Margaret.

Donna