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Offline corinthian

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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #117 on: Monday 22 July 24 09:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Gilby,

That makes sense re John Bell dying in March 1845. Age would be more or less correct as well. What a shame that the Will has not survived, (although that would make it too easy!).

As previously mentioned I do have a DNA match with someone whose ancestor is a George Bell from Ballinderry, but of course, as you have pointed out, that doesn't mean that he was necessarily an elder brother of my Bells and was possibly some other relation.

This source has recorded John and Susannah as his parents and his DOB as 13/05/1821. This is confusing as, according to the Ancestry website, that George Bell's parents were John Bell and Charlotte Kerr. Perhaps Susannah was John's second wife, (although I can find no record of this)?? George Bell married Jane Morgan, (date unknown), had several children, and died 13/03/1888, aged 67, (probably born 1820/1821). 

Regarding the death of William Bell in 1845 - that was an error of mine. I thought the record of the bill stated that William was deceased - but it was actually the date of the bill and what I thought was written 'Deceased' was 'December' so please ignore.   

I am very confused about William being named as an infant in 1845 so maybe the court were not referring to the William Bell born in 1826?? I have been unable to trace any further information regarding William, with any certainty, so cannot be sure when he died.

Yes, the Conway Bell who died in 1905 is my 3 x great grand-uncle and a son of John and Susannah  Bell, (born or baptised 05/11/1830).

Finally, (so far), Ezekiel P (or F) Bell died 15/01/1903, aged 68, at the Homeopathic Hospital, Allegheny, Pittsburgh City, Pennsylvania, USA. Ezekiel is recorded as single and his parents as John and Susannah Bell.

Kind regards,

Coreen           

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Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« Reply #118 on: Sunday 10 November 24 22:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guys! I hope you are all well!

Sorry I've been a bit quiet - I've had my own addition come along to the family tree and he's been keeping me well and truly busy.

On the Clements bit of this thread I may now have an idea how this joins up to the older Carrickfergus branch.

I have an indenture from PRONI showing Andrew Clements of Carrickfergus (Husband of Helen(a) Dalway), Hercules Clements (his son) and John Clements of Glenow (I cant trace this location if anyone has any local knowledge?) I'm kicking myself as the copy of this indenture from the Adair papers has the lefthand edge slightly cut off and I cant see what county Glenow is in.

Hercules Clements d1758 I have a will for - It states he was formerly of Clements Mount (The Clements holding at Glenavy) but now of Carrickfergus. There are three daughters in his will and no Sons, so I don't think though he lived at Glenavy that he was the originator of the line.

I think from my limited understanding of indentures (not my strong point)  the land then passed or was shared with a John Clements.

At the top of my tree tracing the Glenavy Clements is John Clements who dies 1712. This would put him in line age wise (Its a tough one as I have limited dates to go on) with the other children of Andrew Clements.  (LIEUT Hercules Clement d1758, LIEUT Dalway Clements d.1721)

Its not rock solid, but looking like a good fit. It would also explain very neatly the Dolway name being used by the Glenavy Clements and Later the Glenavy Bells.

The earlier Christopher Clements d1668 in the area remains a complete mystery to me.

Hope this is of some help.

Donna