Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia

[sparrett]

1903
TURNER , Frances.
63 Rathdowne Street, Carlton
H Duties
No others of the surname

Sue

So this could be a lead as the certificate that I posted was on this street and same area.

Also if I thought with further digging that that birth certificate was her I will definitely order it.

It states that Henry Alfred Wells the father of our grandfather was born in auckland, so If he was in actual fact in Victoria then he wouldn't be eligible as a kiwi to be  on the Australian Electoral roll would he.

Which birth certificate do you mean when you say this?
Sue

[majm]

1 Jan 1949 

New Zealand Citizenship

http://www.austlii.edu.au/nz/legis/hist_act/bnanzca19481948n15493.pdf 



Australia Citizenship

http://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/resources/transcripts/cth13_doc_1948.pdf

Cheers,  JM

[dean.wendy]

There is a birth which I am not going to pay for, of a Fanny Turner in Vic Right time 84-85

This ?

TURNER Frances Margaret
Father: George
Mother Alice Eliza COWES
Birth Place TYLD
Year 1884
Reg  6166

Sue

I have looked up Electoral roll in Victoria  and have found the same name in a 1912 onwards one so probably not our Frances/Fanny

[dean.wendy]

There is a birth which I am not going to pay for, of a Fanny Turner in Vic Right time 84-85

This ?

TURNER Frances Margaret
Father: George
Mother Alice Eliza COWES
Birth Place TYLD
Year 1884
Reg  6166

Sue

I have looked up Electoral roll in Victoria  and have found the same name in a 1912 onwards one so probably not our Frances/Fanny

Sorry Sue I meant this  birth certificate that was posted earlier.

[majm]

The 1903 electoral roll shows Frances TURNER at Rathdown St, Carlton, so that entry in 1903 points to Frances Wells having prior knowledge of that address when she was registering the birth of her son in 1910.    The birth registration process was informant driven, the registrar simply recording the information Fanny provided, relying on her honesty re her marriage, the name of the child's father, his own place of birth etc.   

Cheers,  JM

[cando]

There is NO Victoria marriage registration for a fa* or fr* to an h*  or ar* searching without a surname in 1906....and yes I trawled the lot on my disc.

Just because Fanny said she was married doesn't mean it is true.  At this stage I very much doubt it.

dean.wendy where did you source the information that Fanny/Frances was born 1884 to Wm H H WELLS and Elizabeth WERREY?

TYLD = Tylden is near Kyneton and Warragul is in Gippsland and co-incidentally where Fanny/Frances WELLS' born Warrack [not Warracknabeal] mother died.

Cando

[cando]

Birth
TURNER Frances Margaret
Father George  Mother Alice Eliza COWES
At Tylden  1884  Reg#6166

Death
TURNER Frances Margaret
Father George  Mother Alice Elzabeth COUVES
At Kyneton 2 Months  1884  Reg#1717

Cando

[majm]

I have looked up Electoral roll in Victoria  and have found the same name in a 1912 onwards one so probably not our Frances/Fanny

I am concerned. 

I have also checked, and I cannot find Frances Turner at that address in 1912, so I am not sure why you have formed a view that the 1903 enrollment is not your lass.   To me, that 1903 sighting in Rathdown St Carlton Victoria  is confirming your NZ 1910 sighting where Frances Wells nominates her former name as Frances TURNER and that she married in Rathdown St Carlton, in 1906  .   

Cheers,  JM

[dean.wendy]

There is NO Victoria marriage registration for a fa* or fr* to an h*  or ar* searching without a surname in 1906....and yes I trawled the lot on my disc.

Just because Fanny said she was married doesn't mean it is true.  At this stage I very much doubt it.

dean.wendy where did you source the information that Fanny/Frances was born 1884 to Wm H H WELLS and Elizabeth WERREY?

TYLD = Tylden is in central Victoria and Warragul is in Gippsland and co-incidentally where Fanny/Frances
WELLS' born Warrack [not Warracknabeal] mother died.

Cando

Hi, So information regarding the above was only sourced through this site, yes I understand that the information Fanny has put down regarding her marriage is more than likely incorrect.  Also coincidence Warragul as birth place has come up, being in Gippsland is another coincidence as I spoke earlier to someone whom she use to babysit here in NZ, and they mentioned Gippsland as being where he thought she was from. But he could not tell me anything else as very old and memory problems. So maybe Turner has no significance,  and she was born a Wells. so who is the named father on my husband's grandfather's birth record. Henry Alfred Wells.