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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #81 on: Sunday 03 May 15 23:56 BST (UK) »
my "Wells" come in with the marriage of Alfred and Henrietta Hodge, both born in Eng, married in Victoria, Australia 1877 and l have those families down, although at this stage still filling in some gaps.
many of my family DONT want our tree on places like ancestory, so lm jst doing what l can going bckwards from my direct line... Alfred and Henrietta had 9 kids... alfreds parents are thomas and elizabeth (brown) married eng, have date 1847 although 2bc and alfred was born 1850 (confirmed)..

lm new 2 this site and have dys, so plz be patient with me

Hi Possum  :)

There are 10 or 11 WELLS trees for your Alfred and Henrietta on Ancestry.  As much as we would like, we cannot prevent other descendents or distant relatives posting family trees on the web.  Ancestry is not the only site that hosts family trees.

I am having a problem connecting a WELLS family from Leicestershire, England with a WELLS, whom it has been stated, was bi-racial from the USA.

Are you sure you have a connection to Wm Henry Harrison WELLS or his family?

Hi dean.wendy  :)
Perhaps you missed this post.  Fanny's brother Wm H H WELLS and his son also Wm H H WELLS.

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    WELLS  William Henry Harris
    Father William Henry
    Mother Mary WERREY
    Birth Place MELBOURNE
    Death Place:
    Year 1869
    Reg 23804

Sue

Death in NSW
17683/1921     
WELLS William H   
Father William  Mother Mary
District Liverpool

Sydney Morning Herald 22 Dec 1921
WELLS December 20, 1921 at Liverpool, William Henry Harrison Wells dearly beloved husband of Mrs Florence Mary Wells, aged 54 years.

Possible Marriage
10111/1902     
WELLS    William   
CAMERON    Florence
District St Peters

http://www.jje.info/lostlives/exhib/rabaulmemorial/alpha/w.html
WELLS, William Henry Harrison, Pte, NX27623. AIF 2/10 Field Ambulance, Australian Army Medical Corps. 1 July 1942. Age 32. Son of William Henry Harrison Wells and Florence May Wells. Panel 31.

http://montevideomaru.naa.gov.au/pows-internees/index.aspx?id=5028

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
His file has been digitised and includes a photograph.
Death of NOK his sister Vera.

35944/1967     
HICKEY    Vera Berniece Rhoda   
Father William Henry Harrison      Mother Florance May   
District Sydney

And Vera's grand daughter is a member of rootschat ;D.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=719190.0

Cando

Karen I suggest you the PM system and remove your email address before a moderator does ;)

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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #82 on: Monday 04 May 15 00:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Possum..I don't think that your Wells and mine are from the same 'tree' however I do think that Wendy's one is one of my great grandfathers sisters as I have her ( Fanny aka Frances) and all the other Wells siblings too on my tree.
I can certainly fill her in on the Australian branch of the family, including the origins of the dark skin....an interesting tale.
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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #83 on: Monday 04 May 15 00:07 BST (UK) »
oops...I can't use my e-mail address??...sorry  :-X.. guess I got too  excited at the prospect of finally sharing info with Wells descendants.

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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #84 on: Monday 04 May 15 00:11 BST (UK) »
Karen you can communicate with dean.wendy by pm. ;D

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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #85 on: Monday 04 May 15 00:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks Candos...will do that...sorry to have erred  ;D
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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #86 on: Monday 04 May 15 00:26 BST (UK) »
No need to apologise to me :)  Just one of the guidelines for using rootschat.

Is there any reason you can't share Wm H H WELLS story with all of us who helped with the research.  I am curious and bet the other chatters are as well ;D

I would have like to have found him on the US Census for you.....perhaps you have :)

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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #87 on: Monday 04 May 15 01:29 BST (UK) »
no reason not to share the info Candos...just thought that it would be quicker this way, I guess too that I underestimated the degree of interest  ;D.
I did not find William Wells Snr on the U.S census but I did obtain his Australian marriage and death certificates...and they tend to confirm what was always just a family 'tale'.
his  cert states that he came from Cincinnatti, Ohio and given that his age was apparently 72 when he died he would possibly have been born Circa 1830-ish.
On his marriage certificate( of which he was the informant) his mothers name was simply given as the Christian name of Abigail with no other details or surname and his father's name was simply given as the surname Wells with no Christian name/occupation or any other information.
Remember that in 1830 the USA was still involved with slavery although I believe that Ohio was a free state.
The family story that has been handed down was that he was picking potato's in a field when he was knocked out by some men and woke up on board a ship (gang pressing by Whalers looking for cheap crew was common then).He jumped ship in Melbourne.
The very first verifiable info after that is his marriage and the births of his children.
It is my educated guess that his mother was indeed a slave at some point and that his father was a white man...how he and his mother came to Ohio I have no idea..nor do I know anything about his life in America..try though I may to find out.
The thought has crossed my mind that Wells was not even his real name and that to avoid recapture he changed his name in Australia and that is why I can't locate him in America, but that is only speculation and not in any way a fact.
Both his son and his grandson bore the names William Henry Harrison Wells...the grandson was my grandmothers brother( my great Uncle Bill) who died aboard the Montivideo Maru as a P.O.W of the Japanese in WW2.
Uncle Bill's father did marry a Josephine Webb in Victoria however I don't think there were any children..at least I have not found any to date from the marriage.
 He left( ?deserted) her  and came to NSW where he set up home with my great grandmother Florence May Findley (whom he obviously could not legally marry) and they had  5 children all dark skinned of which my grandmother was the eldest and Uncle Bill the second eldest.
All the children thought that their parents were married and they were named Wells...not so..all the children were registered at birth with their mothers surname of Findley.
There is more but perhaps that's enough of the story to digest for the moment.I would dearly love to chat with Dean.Wendy....there are pictures ect to share and  Iam sure we'll both learn more about our mutual fascinating ancestor.
Karen

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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #88 on: Monday 04 May 15 01:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you Karen :)  Certainly an interesting story.

What was his age on his marriage cert and birth certs of his chn?  Were his details consistent?
Ages on death certs are not always accurate.  Who was the informant on his death cert?

How many years had Wm been in Victoria/Australia on his death cert?

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Re: Fanny WELLS. Family history missing for biracial great grandmother, Australia
« Reply #89 on: Monday 04 May 15 02:26 BST (UK) »
Well that is an interesting story, you certainly have more than us here is NZ, was Fanny/Frances part of that line in your family And do you have any dates etc. When I post the photo you will see that she was very dark skinned. She was born 1884,  and immigrated to NZ in the early 1900, s, my husband's grandfather was born early 1910, and have just found a different birth father than the one that we believed it to be, and then Frances, s  marriage was after his birth. So she may have been married twice? So this search has uncovered more than I thought.
I cannot find her on shipping records to NZ, but that is not to say they are not there I just may not have looked in the right place.
As far as the dark blood goes we always believed it was from America, and Native American and also African American (Negro) was always banded around but nothing in concrete. So certainly sounds like same family. Can't wait to hear more.