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Re: If you have a date of birth but not a name - can records be searched
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 April 15 22:47 BST (UK) »
Don, 

I know you are looking for a male,  but

12 January 1883,  Mary E LONSDALE, birth registered Wallsend (so Newcastle region), to George and Mary A.   (NSW BDM 28435)

(Add  I did two separate searches to deduce that exact date:
date searched 11 01 1883 to 12 01 1883 and
then again 12 01 1883 to 13 01 1883,
so by deduction, date of birth must be 12 January 1883)

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Re: If you have a date of birth but not a name - can records be searched
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 April 15 22:55 BST (UK) »
There is a death registered in Newcastle area NSW at STOCKTON for a LINDAHL. Seems no one actually knew the person as no parent names and the registration is done with two forenames under the same number.
It is for a Auguste LINDAHL and also under G H LINDAHL reference number 15322/1896.

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Re: If you have a date of birth but not a name - can records be searched
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 29 April 15 23:57 BST (UK) »

Same thoughts  as JM  ;D
Sue

Yes, so we are confirming the latest NSW BDM upgraded feature.     :)


Yes and the next feature they need to improve in my opinion is the first given name and second given name boxes.

As things work now, entering, for instance,  surname plus Elizabeth (first name) Jane (second name),brings up –surname plus  all Janes (regardless of second initial), all Elizabeths, (regardless of second initial)  all Elizabeth J.s and the occasional Elizabeth Jane ::)

However, must not highjack this thread with my complaints ;D

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Re: If you have a date of birth but not a name - can records be searched
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 30 April 15 01:41 BST (UK) »
Relevant to Don's search I think - I haven't needed to do a "no name" search before and just noticed how many 'V' registrations (baptisms) there are coming up in those later years.  I know that I have seen them previously scattered here and there but it is not till you do just a year search that you see just how many there are.

I don't know what a baptism register looks like for that time period; was there a column for birthdate or was it still just hit and miss if they wrote it down and the dates on the index are more likely to be baptism dates?

JM, do we know which churches have been included in the post 1856 online indexes?

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 30 April 15 01:54 BST (UK) »
 :)

As I understand it, those higher number volumes post vol 121 or thereabouts were added to the ECRs in around 1912, and were therefore part of the index process in the 1930s, but were not allowed to be included in the filming project that included LDS and SAG.

Yes, there's many V series entries post 1856.  These are basically brought about by the person attending and seeking their own Birth cert, to then be told "sorry, not available at Reg Gen's office," and then the person offers their own Baptismal certificate, and then Reg Gen requested certified info from that baptismal record.   But that is only until the formalities of regulations came about post WWI.

So, in 1912, NSW BDM Reg Gen finally had some funding to get its processes in order.   Then WWI saw the administrative officers enlist, or at least become base records clerks.   And then post WWI, those returning clerks introduced written regulations (military processes can advantage civil processes, afterall, Gov Macquarie was the first Army governor of NSW and is credited with introducing admin general orders that give us those Early Church Records !). 

So, post 1856, those V can be across the board with the denominations.   

On this thread   http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=660501.0 there's a link to the 1856 NSW census re Religion.   So, ranking in order of population:
Church of England
Roman Catholic
Presbyterian
Wesleyan (Methodists)
Other Protestants
Hebrew
Residue (JM suggests this is the "left overs" rather than a separate denomination/faith/religion)

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My elderly rellie (retired BDM senior officer) is on the phone as I type this up.   And NSW Reg Gen (BDM and Lands Office) got their first typewriter during WWI.   So, everything was longhand on pre-printed forms until then, based on oral answers to oral questions.   Elderly rellie's older (now long gone) rellie was also NSW BDM senior officer,  (initial employment was 'heritary' as was most of NSW Civil Service until mid 1950s .....  :) )   

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Re: If you have a date of birth but not a name - can records be searched
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 30 April 15 02:01 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 30 April 15 02:07 BST (UK) »
Re what to expect from baptism record of that post 1856 era....

More incoming phone calls.... (one day they will join RChat, one day !)

"Hit and Miss", but look at C of E, and birthdate often included. 

Look at what the C of E registers show, look at NSW Resources at the board.....

Look at Christ Church Cathedral's gift....

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/ 1820 – 1899 Family Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605008173551/ 1826 – 1837 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157604433014652/ 1837 – 1838 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ 1839 – 1861 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605674610949/ 1856 – 1868 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605785759029/ 1869 – 1885 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605802132868/ 1885 – 1897 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606197590347/ 1899 – 1913 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605928662968/ 1913 – 1914 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606308436455/ 1914 – 1916 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606323070651/ 1916 – 1918 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606450662513/ 1918 – 1929 Marriage Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606952230042/ 1929 – 1936 Marriages Register

Cheers,  JM (so err.... that takes baptisms to 1861, we want later, we want 1883  :) example ) (JM saving making return STD call !)
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Re: If you have a date of birth but not a name - can records be searched
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 30 April 15 02:22 BST (UK) »
Hello Rootscatters

The date is a speculation. Among my father's photos I came across a formal studio photo of my elusive grandfather which has the date of 12 - 1 - 33 inscribed with a message and his signature "Harry Lindale". He died in 1953 aged 70 so would havew been 50 when the photo was taken. I am unaware of any reason that he would have has such a photo taken, unless of course he was celebrating his half century and was persuaded to have the photo taken by his wife.

Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I will now do some digging

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Re: If you have a date of birth but not a name - can records be searched
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 30 April 15 02:34 BST (UK) »
 :)

I hope Don does not mind my popping these links here, in case others reading the thread later on can benefit from the side discussion re NSW BDM  :)

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/registry-records.aspx

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Documents/BDM-birth-cert-review-2014.pdf

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