clara bagnall

[christopherworth]

many many thanks everyone  there is a person in canada who will now have to change all there tree around  they had the right family just the wrong people  i had seen the marrage to george bird and wondered if this was the one and that she may have been born out of wedlock  we had alot of people this morning studying the occupaation and came up with malter which i thought cannot be as it would have been maltster   now it all drops into place    will visit the library to see if i can find her on the 1861 census  she should be because the baptism is before the census +  there is no clara bagnall registered as born in burton upon trent 1855 to 1862  so not sure where she was born or what name she was registered as    she still poses problems to solve but i think we are getting closer

many thanks to everyone
regards
chris

[BumbleB]

Hi Chris:  prior to 1874 it was not compulsory to register a birth in England and Wales. 

[Bookbox]

It was compulsory actually, but the responsibility was the registrar's, not the parent's, so some births were missed.

[christopherworth]

having had a second look  as i said there is no record of a birth in the name clara bagnall around that date but there is a birth caroline cotton 1860  the baptism on 27th feb 1861 has 2 records in the same church caroline cotton george and sarah and clara bagnall sarah on the cencus later that year sarah cotton and caroline are living with ann bagnall who was sarahs mother  i cannot find any marrage between a sarah bagnall and a george cotton  later there is a wedding between sarah bagnall and a george bird and now they have a child named clara bird  there is no record of a clara bird b 1860ish  i have to think that caoline cotton clara bagnall and clara bird are all the same person  chrikey this hobby drives you mad but it keeps you active
regards
chris

[chempat]

I wondered whether Caroline Cotton and Clara Bagnall were the same person.

But then I saw the 2 christenings, so how can they be the same??

[Bookbox]

I believe there is a possible death for Caroline Cotton in 1862? Right now I am not somewhere where I can easily check, sorry ...

[jan57]

  From Free BMD

Births Sep 1860 

COTTON  Caroline    Burton  6b 310   


Deaths Mar 1862

COTTON  Caroline     Burton  6b 211

[jan57]

1861 census

 RG 9; Piece: 1965; Folio: 28; Page: 9

 Ann Bagnall  62  widow,  laundress   born Markington 
 Sarah Cotton  26  dau    married   dress maker   born  Burton
 John Eardley  28   boarder
 Henry Sutherns  25  boarder 
 Caroline Cotton  8/12   boarder     born Burton
 

[BumbleB]

Hi Chris:  prior to 1874 it was not compulsory to register a birth in England and Wales. 

Not doing very well with my knowledge these days, am I?