clara bagnall

[christopherworth]

trying to find info on clara bagnall born lichfield 1858  Genes Reunited say she is on the 1861 and 1871 census in lichfield  i subscibe to findmypast and ancestry but she is not listed on their sites  i believe her father is george bagnall but would like to know what the census says  any help please

regards
chris

[giggsycat]

Image on GR for 1861 & 1871 has parents as Edward and Ann.

[whiteout7]

Is this her on freecen? 1871

Father George Bagnall, Mother Lydia Bagnall

Piece: RG9/1930 Place: Burslem -Staffordshire Enumeration District: 24
Civil Parish: Burslem Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Folio: 104 Page: 9 Schedule: 49
Address: 33 Granville Place

George 46,   Earthenware Fireman, born Staffordshire - Hanley       
Lydia 41, born Lancashire - Preston
William 19, Earthenware Manufactring Clerk, born Staffordshire - Hanley       
Mary Jane 16, Earthenware Paintress, born Staffordshire - Hanley       
Edward J 14, Earthenware Gilder, born Staffordshire - Hanley       
Charlotte 11, Scholar, born Staffordshire - Hanley
Clara 4, Scholar, born    Staffordshire - Burslem       

What do you know about you family, is there any tradition of Pottery work?

[jan57]

 1861 
Class: RG 9/1978/56 P 15
 living  in Queen St  Rugeley , 
Edward Bagnall 33  Iron Moulder 
Ann Bagnall  31
 Mary Ann Bagnall  7
 Edward Bagnall  6
 Frank Bagnall  3
 Clara Bagnall  2  born Rugeley  Staffordshire
 Lucy Bagnall  6/12


All the family  born Rugeley    which is  in Lichfield RD

[jan57]

  in 1871  The family  are   in the same  place  as in 1861,   Edward  is also  a Publican  now ,   and  the following  children  have  been  born  to the family.  Lucy   aged  6months in 1861   isn't with the  family  ,

 Albert Bagnall  8
 Ralph Bagnall  6
 Jane Bagnall  4
 George Bagnall  3

  This  is  possibly  Lucy 
Deaths Sep 1861   

Bagnall  Lucy     Lichfield  6b 190

[christopherworth]

thanks everyone for looking but no she is not from rugeley  we have her wedding cert which gives her father as george and she was possibly baptised in burton upon trent in 1861 giving her mother as sarah  just cannot work out why she cannot be found on either the 61 or 71 census  where was she its a mystery we cannot solve at the moment 

thanks
chris

[chempat]

What is George's occupation on the wedding certificate, and is he noted as deceased?

Also, any useful witnesses?

As you have identified her birth as Lichfield in 1858, then the certificate will give information as to her parents.

[chempat]

If this is the baptism record that you refer to, then is she illegitimate and has invented a father for the marriage certificate?

England Select Births and Christenings from 1538 to 1975
Clara Bagnall, baptised 27th February, 1861 at the Holy Trinity, Burton upon Trent
Mother Sarah Bagnall 
FHL 426513

[Bookbox]

What place of birth is given for Clara in the census after her marriage?

If she is the one baptised in 1861 as above, maybe her mother married George BIRD in 1863?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N61P-R6Y

If so, maybe she was enumerated at Clara BIRD in 1871 in Burton?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDD2-Q81

Maybe Clara 'borrowed' her stepfather George BIRD's forename when she married, to disguise her illegitimacy? In the above 1871 George BIRD's occupation was Maltster.