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Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« on: Saturday 25 April 15 15:43 BST (UK) »
Her married name was Ellen Elizabeth Leonard. Her maiden name may have been Slattery. She lived in Albury and Melbourne. Died in Melbourne between 1930 and 1942 but death has not been confirmed. May have married in Adelaide.
Only had one son who was my Grandfather. He married twice first to Eva Montgomery and then to Edna Hille Wood.
Two daughters and a son(died in infancy) to Eva.
Ellen worked for the Baillieu family as a house maid/cook.
Was related to the Moores and the Irelands
Leonard, Lenard, Montgomerie, Bickford, Ireland,
Purtell, Gee Sing, Solomon.

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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 April 15 20:17 BST (UK) »
Could you say when Stanley was born, please, and who his father was?

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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 April 15 01:07 BST (UK) »
WW1 enlistment #2518
LENARD Stanley John  b. Albury NOK wife Evangle

WW2 enlistment #N377279
LEONARD Stanley John  b. Albury 8 Sep 1889

Possibly this family?

BDM NSW birth
18240 / 1887 LEONARD Stella M      ps  Edward / Ellen               Blayney
2159 / 1888   LENARD   Dudley       ps  Edward / Helen              Blayney
10743 / 1889 LENARD   Stanley      ps  Edward / Helen              Albury
16979 / 1896 LEONARD Clara  T      ps  Edward / Ellen               Temora
35051 / 1898 LEONARD Margaret E  ps Edward / Ellen                Temora
39664  1906  LEONARD Annie M      ps Edward / Ellen                 Temora
9779 / 1911  LEONARD William H    ps Edward / Ellen                 Temora

BDM NSW deaths
3797 / 1888 LENARD Dudley                    ps Edward / Ellen          Glebe
1204 / 1910 LEONARD Margaret E            ps Edward / Ellen           Cootamundra
6510 / 1958 LEONARD Edward James      ps Edward / Ellen           Forbes
27735 / 1966 LEONARD Arthur Harold     ps Edward / Ellen           Mudgee

 







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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 April 15 01:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks to Wivenhoe and Chempat for your interest and help.

WW1 enlistment #2518
LENARD Stanley John  b. Albury NOK wife Evangle...This is my Grandfather and Grandmother. The name changes throughout the war records. And his registration no. changes too.

I have found relatives from his other family and the parental story is that his parents were killed in a car accident and he was bought up by an Aunt.

He has obfuscated his birth info and name to cover his tracks - as he walked out on Eva and the girls.

When his mother/aunt Ellen Elizabeth Leonard/Elizabeth Ellen Leonard/Helen???? died the police visited Eva to ask for money for her funeral. My mother was a young girl and remembers this so it could have been between 1930 and 1942 Melbourne.  She was buried as a pauper. I don't know why Stanley who was still alive in Albury didn't bury her.  I found a death at a hospital that matched her in 1942 but Mum says at that time she was 22 and that is too late.

The birth to Helen/Edward  10743 / 1889 LENARD   Stanley      ps  Edward / Helen              Albury
This maybe the birth. The spelling of the name is the same as his second war record. Whether this was a mistake or on purpose I'm not sure. He has lied with other details so its hard to know what the truth is. Will look at my certificates later today, before ordering more.  And have asked other family for more details. The matter is very sensitive in view of the other family.
Leonard, Lenard, Montgomerie, Bickford, Ireland,
Purtell, Gee Sing, Solomon.


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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 April 15 02:20 BST (UK) »
A possible marriage for the couple named Edward and Ellen/aka Helen??

6139/1886  MUDGEE
LEONARD Edward to CORBETT Ellen

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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 April 15 02:27 BST (UK) »
You need to see this birth certificate -
 
10743 / 1889 LENARD   Stanley      ps  Edward / Helen              Albury

It will give good information about family. I think the information you are using to research this family might be very compromised by family estrangement, and the questionable value of memories from long ago.

LENARD / LEONARD are reasonable variations on the family name, and would suggest uncertainty about the spelling, rather than intention  to........concealment, evasion etc.

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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 April 15 03:37 BST (UK) »
There was a death in Melbourne for an Elizabeth Ellen LENARD at R PARK in 1942 aged 81y.
Her parents named George IRELAND and Elizabeth nee WAITES
Reg #823

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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 April 15 03:54 BST (UK) »
There was a death in Melbourne for an Elizabeth Ellen LENARD at R PARK in 1942 aged 81y.
Her parents named George IRELAND and Elizabeth nee WAITES
Reg #823

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This would be the death which OP says cannot be her as his mother’s recollection was from childhood (see above
 
LENARD Elizth Ellen
Father:Ireland Geo
Mother Elizth  WAITES
Death Place R PARK
Age 81
Year: 1942
Reg   823

Royal Park is a psychiatric Hospital.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Park_Hospital

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Re: Looking for mother of Stanley John Leonard from Albury NSW
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 April 15 04:43 BST (UK) »
I am putting up this death, though it does not fit many of the circumstances you have described,  Peonyau.

There is always the possibility that  marriage had not taken place and the child Stanely , was "known as " surname Leonard/Lennard for any one of a number of reasons.

I do not see a birth in Albury for him.

Death Victoria

SLATTERY Ellen Elizth
Father SlATTERY Jno
Mother Ellen  OSHEA
Death Place S KILDA
Age 53
Year 1929
Reg  3284

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