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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #18 on: Friday 24 April 15 08:39 BST (UK) »
I couldn't find Nicholas Dimond or Diamond in the British Archives in the medal cards, which is concerning also he should have a commonwealth wargrave.

I'm signed into A*cest*y and can't find him there either.

Also on there the only Patrick Dimond is the son of Mary Dimond 1886 which we have already found.

Yet I've seen the newspaper report in NZ you mention so PH.Dimond must have reiceived a letter.

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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #19 on: Friday 24 April 15 08:42 BST (UK) »
Only about a third of WWI service records survive.

1891 Census- Port Clarence, Co. Durham
Nicholas Dimond (37, born Londonderry), wife Julia (33), Annie (8 ), Patrick (6) Ellen (5)

1901 Census- Port Clarence, Co. Durham
Julia Diamond (42), Patrick (16), Annie (18), Ellen (15), John (7)


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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #20 on: Friday 24 April 15 09:00 BST (UK) »
 Aghadowey, does that include medal cards and attesting forms?

For example my WW1 gr.grandfather has a medal card and attesting form (he was from Scotland,  born in Scotland though) but no service record?
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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #21 on: Friday 24 April 15 09:05 BST (UK) »
No, the medal cards, as far as I know, survive but it was many of the service records that were destroyed during WWII bombings.

I think the attestation form is normally part of the service records.

http://www.greatwar.co.uk/research/military-records/british-soldiers-ww1-service-records.htm

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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #22 on: Friday 24 April 15 09:25 BST (UK) »
kiwielaine, I think the Nicholas Dimond born 1891 is the only one. I can see him on the free bdm

Diamond    Nicholas        Stockton    10a   70
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Very odd that there is no medal card for a Nicholas Dimond.

The fact that there is no date of death for Patrick may mean that no one filed a death certificate in England for him.

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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #23 on: Friday 24 April 15 09:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for your input, much appreciated.  Looks like it will have to be put on the back burner for now.
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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #24 on: Friday 24 April 15 09:34 BST (UK) »
It is a shame, maybe they are unknown soldiers :(

The notice of their death reported in NZ
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=HAST19180104.2.21&srpos=4&e=-------10--1----0Nicholas+Dimond--
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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #25 on: Monday 16 January 23 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both for your input, much appreciated.  Looks like it will have to be put on the back burner for now.

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Re: Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 04 May 23 17:39 BST (UK) »
Hello Elaine,
I am one of the Kilrea Diamonds.  In fact, I am from the next townland to Claragh, Kilrea where Rifleman Patrick Diamond lived - or so we believe.  He was a first cousin of my grandfather. My understanding is that he WAS born in Claragh.  My father inherited the family farm in Erganagh and we still own it as my nephew has now taken ownership of it having been left it by my brother.  My father inherited the Claragh Diamond lands from his elderly relation many years ago.  So we are now in both townlands.

I should explain that the name Patrick occurs very frequently in the Kilrea Diamond clan along with Peter, James and John (and further back Arthur).  All of the Kilrea Diamond families were/are related.  The name occurs in neighbouring parishes but any links are "distant cousin" only, if at all.

The reference to Gortmacrane may be a reference to a relation of Patrick Diamond who lived there. Many, many years ago in Preston England I met a distant cousin of mine, a lady who was a daughter of Daniel Diamond born around 1900 in Gortmacrane, Kilrea.  He, too, was a cousin of my grandfather. Her son bore an unbelievable similarity to one of my brothers.  On the passing of Patrick's father his mother may have gone to stay with that family.  No social security in those days.

Unfortunately our church records were destroyed during the early days of the Civil War as were many tens of thousands of other records. I am trying to piece together data from such sources as the Mercers Company and Griffiths Valuations. 

I hope this helps you in some small way.

FD