Patrick and Nicholas DIMOND KIA 1917/18

[kiwielaine]

Thanks very much for that aghadowey.  Yes please, if you can find more on the Dimonds I would be very grateful.  I haven't had much success as far as their ancestry in Derry, Ireland is concerned.

[aghadowey]

Give me a little while to type it up and then post here 

[whiteout7]

The 1911 record with Paul Nicholas Dimond on it is in Derrygarve
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Castledawson/Derrygarve/608163/

Will be interesting to see if it fits anywhere since your Nicholas is still missing.

(Name variants Diamond, Dimond, Dyamond, Dymond?)

[kiwielaine]

How likely is it that the Nicholas mentioned in the newspaper article being Paul Nicholas Dimond aged 10 at the 1911 census, therefore as young as 13 when WW1 started and 16 or 17 when KIA?  Can anyone find a death for him at a later date, therefore ruling out it being the same person?

[whiteout7]

This looks like him again, can't seem to find a marriage/death in Londonderry anyway.
Birth of NICHOLAS DIAMOND on 31 August 1901, magherafelt
Mother's Birth Surname    MC ERLAIN

http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=Nicholas&namel=diamond&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&type=B&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100&century=&decade=&exact=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&ddPto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&mmPto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=

[aghadowey]

Bit of a mystery here 

CWGC lists Patrick as "Son of Mrs. Mary Diamond, of Gortmacrane, Kilrea, Co. Londonderry"
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/756846/DIAMOND,%20PATRICK

However, research done for the Kilrea War Memorial shows his parents as John & Alice of Claragh (opposite side of Kilrea from Gortmacrane although not too far away).

Here's what I have on that Claragh family-

John Diamond (c1851-22 Dec.1905), son of Peter, m.(10 Nov.1865 Drumagarner Chapel) Alice Henry (c1851/c1845-7 Feb.1920), dau. of Edward
     Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDX-RQ3
     1901- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Kilrea/Claragh/1520853
     Probate of the Will of John Diamond late of Claragh County Londonderry Farmer who died 22 December 1905 granted at Londonderry to Alice Diamond Widow. Effects £161 19s. 9d.
     1911- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Kilrea/Claragh/591886 (m.35y 8 ch./6 living)
     Administration of the Estate of the late Alice Diamond, Claragh, Co. Londonderry, Widow, who died 7 February 1920, granted at Londonderry 2 July 1920 to Edward Diamond, Spirit Merchant, the son. Effects: £527 15s.
1.   Henry (25 Aug.1866-28 Mar.1924)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR47-8HL
        Kilrea Boys School 1878 Henry Diamond, age 12, RC, Clarah, (father) farmer
        Diamond Henry of Claragh county Londonderry farmer died 28 March 1924 Probate Londonderry 11 June to John Diamond spirit merchant. Effects £50.
2.   Catherine “Kate” (17 Aug.1868-aft.1911)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F3-5HM
        Kilrea Girls School 1878 Catherine Diamond, age 10, RC, Clarah, (father) farmer
        ? died 1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRLX-BYM
3.   Margaret “Maggie” (23 July 1870-aft.1901/bef.1911?)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPYW-VMS
        Kilrea Girls School 1878 Maggie Diamond, age 7, RC, Clarah, (father) farmer
        ? died https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRFB-2PG
4.   Patrick (1 Jan.1873) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGPZ-K4Q
        Kilrea Boys School 1878 Patrick Diamond, age 5, RC, Clarah, (father) farmer
5.   John (1 Jan.1873), spirit merchant
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGPZ-K44
        Kilrea Boys School 1878 John Diamond, age 5, RC, Clarah, (father) farmer
        ? Diamond John of Bridge Street Coleraine county Londonderry spirit merchant died 18 January 1937 Administration Belfast 5 May to Edward Diamond spirit merchant. Effects £5491 14s. 1d.
6.   Rosella (11 Jan.1875-aft.1911)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG5X-BFP
7.   Alice (28 May 1877-bef.1911?) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGN7-K4K
8.   Edward. 1920- spirit merchant

Note: census ages are inaccurate. School records from http://www.magheragenealogy.org/

There are other Diamonds living in Claragh who might be related but I'd like to check a few more resources to see if I can verify the correct parents, location, etc.

[kiwielaine]

Thanks for that, aghadowey

Unfortunately the Diamonds from Claragh don't appear to be my lot.  John Diamond, who would have been Patrick Henry Dimond's (my ggf) brother is shown in your records to have a father named Peter.  My records -Roots Ireland marriage of Patrick Henry Dimond to my ggm Mary Anne McSwigan (1876) has his father as Thomas.

[whiteout7]

Is this your list on the Lavey Parish Notice board? (Roman Catholic chapel of Lavey in Magherafelt)

"Am trying to find anything on a Catherine, Thomas, Patrick Henry, Alice, John, Nicholas Dimond or Diamond. Their father was Thomas and they were from the Derrygarve. Have no details on their mother but she may have been an Ann O'Neill."

http://www.laveyparish.com/noticeboard.html

Could be another lead
If this is you Patrick Henry Dimond then the father of Nicholas could be the Nicholas mentioned here (or John or Thomas)

The Nicholas Dimond with a McErlain for a mother seems young but lots of boys signed up and went to war if they could fool the recruiting officers with their height and chest width even if they were not quite 18 yet

[kiwielaine]

Hi Whiteout
That was a great find in regards to the Laveyparish noticeboard re Di(a)mond.  It triggered my memory in regards to having been sent some information from Kathleen (the author of that message) many years ago. I've dug deep and found what looks like what could be our connection to Nicholas and Patrick Dimond.
 
From her Dimond family tree which she sent me,  it would appear that my ggf Patrick Henry has a brother Nicholas (born Abt 1855 Derrygarve, Co Derry, died 3 November 1900 Port Clarence, Co Durham, England), who has sons Patrick (born 17 July 1884, Port Clarence Co, Durham, England no death date); and Nicholas (born 12 April 1891 Port Clarence, Co Durham England).  Has got Nicholas dying at 2 months old on 7 June 1891 though. There are no other Nicholas Dimonds showing but maybe another son was born and given the name Nicholas? Just speculation.

Are there any military records for Patrick and Nicholas Dimond for Durham England that fit?