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Re: Marriage Record Thomas BARRY & Brigid Cosgrove/Cosgrave. TALLOW, Waterford
« Reply #9 on: Friday 15 November 24 05:15 GMT (UK) »
Thomas can be seen in Bog Lane, listed as part of "Town lands" in the 1825 Tythe valuation of the parish of Tallow. This is the same address as in the parish register.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625720/004625720_00319.pdf

His holding was a house and garden of 0-0-37 A-R-P - not clear if these are Irish or English acres.

Thomas seems to be the only Barry listed in the parish of Tallow. This seems to be in conflict with the earlier post that Pigott's directory listed two other Barrys at approximately the same time??

BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Marriage Record Thomas BARRY & Brigid Cosgrove/Cosgrave. TALLOW, Waterford
« Reply #11 on: Friday 15 November 24 05:32 GMT (UK) »
The townland listed as Town lands in the Tythe valuation is presumably one or other of
Townparks East
https://www.townlands.ie/waterford/coshmore-and-coshbride/tallow/tallow/townparks-east/
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Townparks West
https://www.townlands.ie/waterford/coshmore-and-coshbride/tallow/tallow/townparks-west/
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Marriage Record Thomas BARRY & Brigid Cosgrove/Cosgrave. TALLOW, Waterford
« Reply #12 on: Friday 15 November 24 21:45 GMT (UK) »
OP - did you check the baptisms of all the children of Thomas and Bridget?
Her surname varies for each child. Therefore, may not have been Cosgrove.

Hi again, thank you for all your help and suggestions.  So far, I haven't found a baptismal record for my John Barry born in Ireland in 1820-21.  That is why I wanted to verify if the baptismal record for Nicholas Barry in Wexford may have been connected to John's parents. John Barry & Bridgid Cosgrove.   As you pointed out, the surname Cosgrove, has been recorded under numerous variations like Corcoran, Cosgriff, Cosgrave etc.  However, I do have DNA matches to surname Cosgrove, who also have Barry surnames, although very few.  John Richard Barry (my John's uncle) emigrated first to Newfoundland, Canada in 1812, and in 1815 later moved to Prince Edward Island in the Egmont Bay area. 

Irish families tended to emigrate to areas where other Irish settlers or relatives had previously gone before them.  There was a large Irish settlement in Hope River, PEI and a John Barry was listed there as well as Cosgrove surnames.  In my great-grandmother's obituary there also were Cosgrove pallbearers:  Page 3, col. 5 There passed away on the 21st Nov. Mrs. John Barry, at the advanced age of 92 years. The deceased, who lived for the greater part of her life in Wellington, was well known for her many virtues. She leaves to mourn their loss four sons and three daughters: Mrs. Elizabeth Allen, Boston, Edward Barry, also of Boston, and Mrs. D. F. Botts, Bloomfield. The sons are Thomas Barry, Bangor; John, Sydney; Richard in the Western states; and Frank at Wellington. Her funeral took place at Wellington amidst a large concourse of people who came from far and near to pay their last tribute of respect to one who had lived so long amongst them. A Solemn Requiem Mass was sung by her pastor, Father John, for the repose of her soul. The pallbearers were Peter Walsh, Austen Cosgrove, J. T. Ayres, Martin Condon, F. G. Arsenault, and John T. Cosgrove.
The difficulty with trying to find the correct John or Richard Barry is that they are two of the most common names in all the Barry families.  We do know that the father of John Richard Barry and Thomas Barry was RICHARD. That is mentioned in the letter that Thomas sent to his brother John Richard Barry when trying to make arrangements for his son, John, to join his uncle John Richard Barry in PEI. 

As for the Wills, the names Edmund, Thomas, David etc. seem to be associated with the Tallow Barry families.  However, it doesn't contain any additional information regarding spouse, family etc. At least that is what I interpretated from the Irish Wills source online. 

When the early Irish families emigrated to Canada, especially PEI, the priests who recorded their baptisms, marriages etc. recorded them as they sounded to HIM  I have an Elizabeth *? unknown ancestor married to a Thomas Murphy.  It has been recorded about five different ways but I am pretty sure it is Meehan/Mihan or Nihan.  I also do have unknown DNA connections to Meehan, so that is most likely  For example, this is one of them:  Margaret Gaffney (born Meehan)
Age: 90 or above
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Estimated relationships
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I also found this:  Thomas Murphy was born in 1795 in Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland. He had one son with Elizabeth Mihan in 1815. He died in 1881 in Prince Edward Island having lived a long life of 86 years.
Source:  https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree

You are much more advanced in your genealogy expertise and knowledge than I am.  I only do it for personal reasons but do want to know WHAT is right not who.  I certainly appreciate all your input and information.  The more I find what is correct will certainly help eliminate more unknowns. 

I have a larger unknown DNA match to a PATRICK Barry, (1820-1897) born in Ireland and died Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, USA.  His wife, Mary J. Whalen, could also be Whelan. 1793-1880, Birth 1793 • Ireland, Death 1880
Source: Cori Barry's Tree
https://www.ancestry.com   According to this researcher, her husband, Michael Barry shows a large DNA match to me on Chromosome 19.  However, we can't make the connection.  So, you solve one mystery and another one shows up.  Best Regards and once again "THANK YOU."