Elizabeth Crouse...a bit of a mystery

[Memm]

Acording to my grandfathers marriage certificate she is his mother and his father was stephen quinn, both deceased by the time the wedding happened in 1952.

So I ordered their sons (my grandfather) birth certificate but the father has a line through it, making me think he was illegitimate. 

I don't know if my grandfather is still alive, he left the marriage in 1954 when my dad was born. His mum left him when he was 7 so we know nothing about this side of the family.

Anyway after doing a bit of digging, I have found Elizabeth Quinn nee crouse had 3 children born in Sunderland in 1914, 1921 (my grandfather) and 1934. But that is it.

I cannot find a marriage anywhere Between Elizabeth and Stephen or even birth and death  records for these people.

What's my next step please?

Any help is most welcome.

[rosie99]

I wonder if it is this Stephen.  He marries in 1901 and his wife dies in 1909. He could be forgiven for not wanting to remarry 

Birth March qtr 1878 
Stephen Quinn       
Sunderland    10a   649    

Marriage December qtr 1901 
Stephen Quinn       
Elizabeth Jane Calvert       
Sunderland    10a   1042    

His wife dies
Death March qtr 1909 
Elizabeth Jane Quinn age  22    maybe not   
Sunderland    10a   411

Death September qtr 1939 
Stephen Quinn age 60   
Sunderland    10a   688    

[avm228]

In addition to the Quinn/Crouse births there are Quinn/Cruce births in Sunderland in 1917 & 1923.

There's also a Quinn/Crouce birth there in 1929.

[cath151]

There is a marriage 1913 Sunderland for a Matthew Quinn and Elizabeth Cruse ?
Could he have gone under a different first name?
Cathy

[willsy]

Just about to post that one

[willsy]

Found this birth

Elizabeth Cruse
1890 Jul-Aug-Sep
Sunderland 10a/674

[cath151]

there is a Matthew Quinn and Thomas Calvert connection in 1911....hmmm
Cathy
...but too young and single.

[cath151]

Possible in 1901
Rg13/4720  126/14
2, Bank St, Sunderland
Michael Crouse  head  mar  53  Labourer
Mary          "      wife   mar  37
Eliz            "      dau            11
Ellen          "      dau            11
May           "      dau            9
Jane          "      dau            6
Catherine   "      dau            1
All born Sunderland

From Family Search

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aeliz~%20%2Bsurname%3Acrouse~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Asunderland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1890-1890~

Cathy



         

[Memm]

Rosie,  that's such a nice suggestion him not wanting to remarry but wouldn't it of been frowned upon having children and not been married? Unless they lied and said they were.

Cathy, there certainly is some connection between the records you have found.

So Stephen could of been his uncle, going off some records? My grandfather (patrick) must of thought very highly of this Stephen as he called his son Stephen (my dad) also.

Where would I find merchant seaman records as that is the occupation of Stephen Quinn, I have looked on ancestry but nothing comes up (year wise) for Stephen?

Thank you for all your help.

Emma